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CharlotteJ
Joined: 30 Jul 2010 Posts: 75
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:47 am Post subject: I've Had Enough Of "Franchise" Romances |
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"Franchise" romances, ie- a series of romances that begin with the hero having 12 brothers/friends/cousins and or the heroine having 12 sisters/friends/cousins and all of them get a POV in the first book of the series so you know that they'll all be hooked up by the last book.
Ugh.
I think what started as a great idea has gotten completely out of hand now. I've read far too many of these books where the author is so intent on setting up the subsequent half dozen couples, that the couple who is supposed to be the focus of the book gets lost in the shuffle.
Nora Roberts has been fairly successful doing it - although I always felt like Montana Sky and Three Fates *should* have been a franchise because she really shortchanged the secondary couples in these books by having them all shoved into one story.
But I think I threw in the towel on franchises with Maya Banks' KGI series. I enjoyed the first book but when I sifted through to figure out exactly how much of the book was truly about Ethan and Rachel, it really ended up being 'not much' because there were so many pages devoted to the gazillion other characters.
Now I'm going through "If You Hear Her" by Shiloh Walker and it's even worse because I'm only at Chapter Five and she already seems to be devoting less time to the main couple and more time to secondary characters and what obviously is going to be the hero/heroine of the next book.
I would rather an author focus on ONE couple for each book and they can shorten their story by a few pages to allow a longer excerpt at the end of the book to 'preview' the next couple . Instead of trying to jam the set up of the next 6 couples into the main book. |
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Elizabeth Rolls
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 1027 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Nora Roberts has been fairly successful doing it - although I always felt like Montana Sky and Three Fates *should* have been a franchise because she really shortchanged the secondary couples in these books by having them all shoved into one story. |
I enjoyed those two books very much. Am I correct in thinking they were written before she started writing the trilogies like In the Garden, or The Three Sisters? If so it's an interesting progression in terms of deciding to use multiple heroes/heroines in the one book and then deciding on the trilogy structure to give each couple their own space.
Also, I wouldn't look at those trilogies in quite the same way as say the Stephanie Laurens Cynster series, or Julia Quinn's Bridgerton series, where there is no over arching plot, merely connected characters. OTOH Laurens went with the plot connected quartet in the Black Cobra set.
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CharlotteJ
Joined: 30 Jul 2010 Posts: 75
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| Elizabeth Rolls wrote: |
I enjoyed those two books very much. Am I correct in thinking they were written before she started writing the trilogies like In the Garden, or The Three Sisters? If so it's an interesting progression in terms of deciding to use multiple heroes/heroines in the one book and then deciding on the trilogy structure to give each couple their own space.
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Three Fates was written in 2002, and the first book of the Garden trilogy was written in 2004. I'm not sure about the others.
What bugged me about Three Fates was that I really enjoyed Malachi and Tia but Gideon/Cleo and especially Jack/Rebecca weren't given nearly as much space to tell their stories.
Of course, it's all relative- it's not as bad as the KGI series [Banks] where we're introduced to Ethan, Rachel, Sam, Garrett, Donovan, Nathan, Joe, Steele, P.J, Cole, Sean, Rusty, Dolphin, Maren and I've forgotten who else LOL. |
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Nana
Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 898
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:37 am Post subject: |
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You know that historical series about the British guys who went to boarding school together? One of them was bullied before inheriting his title at a young age, one of them is a bastard, one of them is devil-may-care and got injured in the army later, one of them had to get his family out of debt by clever investments (but has to keep it a secret) and one is a commoner who's really brilliant? They duel and box together a lot?
No, wait, I'm thinking of that boisterous set of siblings. They have those cute quirky get-togethers around the holidays, and I think they might be ethnic (but something innocuous and basically Caucasian, like Irish or Italian, nothing really challenging). There's that one sibling with a child from a previous relationship, and at least one cop, and the mom wants more grandkids.
Argh, that's not it, either! The series I'm thinking of is that brotherhood of supernatural males. There's a really strict hierarchy in their species but don't worry, because the secondary characters in the first book are all somehow exceptions and so you don't have to worry about a hero in a later book who's not the baddest guy in town. In a weird coincidence, everybody has to marry outside their species - either a human female or a female from another supernatural species, preferably a mortal enemy species. Fighting inbreeding, I guess. And the guys are kind of stalkery but again, it's ok, because he can smell that the heroine is supposed to be with him forever. And at some point there will be a book about a supernatural woman from that species but it will be disappointing.
Anyway, everybody gets married. |
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Tee

Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 4062 Location: Detroit Metro
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| CharlotteJ wrote: | | What bugged me about Three Fates was that I really enjoyed Malachi and Tia but Gideon/Cleo and especially Jack/Rebecca weren't given nearly as much space to tell their stories. |
And, maybe in the end, that's a good thing. Sometimes there isn't all that much more to tell with the other relationships. For me, and especially with Roberts (but there are other authors), the first story is usually the best and the following two don't always match up with being as interesting. Roberts' Ice trilogy was certainly an exception, though. Montana Sky was a great single read--I wouldn't change a thing to make it endure through three books. |
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Rosie
Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 279
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| Nana wrote: | | Anyway, everybody gets married. |
LOL! Great post, Nana. Spot-on. |
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Islandgirl2
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:36 am Post subject: |
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I actually love this theme. lol I just feel like it's a cool way to introduce other characters and if you take to them a little in the introduction it does draw you in to read the next one by the author. I think it's really smart. If you didn't like the first chances are you won't like the others. But most of the time I find that their third or fourth or later books in the trilogy/series gets better with time with the other couples.
And I also like that we get to see the journey of family/friends all find love as you would hope in real life it happens for all your friends and family when they come of age. I have a huge family and it's always something to see a certain generation always go through their marriages and having children around the same time. So it not so farfetched.
I loved Montana Sky from Nora Roberts it's one of my favorites. I think that when you have a couple of romances thrown into a novel when done right it makes it for fun reading because I usually end up getting so into one couple then it reverts back to another where I wish it didn't until I start getting into the next couple and then she takes you back and forth.
Now sometimes unfortunately like in anything you have your bad apples that you just want to flip through that couple and get to the good one.
But when it's done right oh the good reading you can have. _________________ Romance my favorite reading pastime. |
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aiven
Joined: 11 Nov 2009 Posts: 54
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| Nana is my hero. |
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xina

Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 6630 Location: minneapolis
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:25 am Post subject: |
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I don't mind the "large family" series, just so the author stays with the main couple throughout the book. I am currently rereading the Laurens series...Cynsters, and she seems to bring in the next guy just as an aside. That is fine..for now. I do not like when all the previous couples have to show up at the end of each book as if it is a family reunion. The Cynsters seem to get together at the weddings in the epilogue or the last chapter. That is fine at this point, but realistically, large families aren't that chummy. At least in my experience. But whatever...this is romanceland, the place of happy-happy. I think that goes with the territory. _________________ "As you wish"
~The Princess Bride |
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Linda in sw va

Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 4708
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| Islandgirl2 wrote: | | I actually love this theme. lol But when it's done right oh the good reading you can have. |
I agree, I love this too! Especially when it's a family of hawt brothers. Yummy.
Linda _________________ "The Bookshop has a thousand books, all colors, hues and tinges, and every cover is a door that turns on magic hinges." ~ Nancy Byrd Turner |
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Wendy AAR
Joined: 22 May 2010 Posts: 324
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Nana wrote: | You know that historical series about the British guys who went to boarding school together? One of them was bullied before inheriting his title at a young age, one of them is a bastard, one of them is devil-may-care and got injured in the army later, one of them had to get his family out of debt by clever investments (but has to keep it a secret) and one is a commoner who's really brilliant? They duel and box together a lot?
No, wait, I'm thinking of that boisterous set of siblings. They have those cute quirky get-togethers around the holidays, and I think they might be ethnic (but something innocuous and basically Caucasian, like Irish or Italian, nothing really challenging). There's that one sibling with a child from a previous relationship, and at least one cop, and the mom wants more grandkids.
Argh, that's not it, either! The series I'm thinking of is that brotherhood of supernatural males. There's a really strict hierarchy in their species but don't worry, because the secondary characters in the first book are all somehow exceptions and so you don't have to worry about a hero in a later book who's not the baddest guy in town. In a weird coincidence, everybody has to marry outside their species - either a human female or a female from another supernatural species, preferably a mortal enemy species. Fighting inbreeding, I guess. And the guys are kind of stalkery but again, it's ok, because he can smell that the heroine is supposed to be with him forever. And at some point there will be a book about a supernatural woman from that species but it will be disappointing.
Anyway, everybody gets married. |
Nana, you are my hero! LOL!!!
You forgot to mention the one where there are three brothers (or brothers in arms, or sisters or whatever) who miraculously, near the end of book 3 when the series is supposed to end, find out they have an unlimited number of half-siblings, or a step family, or genetic twins or whatever who all need their own stories too!
I wish authors would remember what the character of Oliver did to the Brady Bunch before they start "finding" new characters for a series that needs to end. |
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library addict

Joined: 06 Dec 2008 Posts: 1237
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: I've Had Enough Of "Franchise" Romances |
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| CharlotteJ wrote: | | Nora Roberts has been fairly successful doing it - although I always felt like Montana Sky and Three Fates *should* have been a franchise because she really shortchanged the secondary couples in these books by having them all shoved into one story. |
Nora's first non-category trilogy was the Born In one back in 1994. Montana Sky and Three Fates were both published after that.
I liked the secondary couples in both of these books more than the main couples, but felt both books worked as single titles. I also liked the two secondary couples in Sanctuary more than the main one.
| CharlotteJ wrote: | | I would rather an author focus on ONE couple for each book and they can shorten their story by a few pages to allow a longer excerpt at the end of the book to 'preview' the next couple . Instead of trying to jam the set up of the next 6 couples into the main book. | This is the main problem with many series books today. So much page time is dedicated to the set up of future h/h that the couple that is supposed to be the focus really is short-changed. And the first couple never gets comparable page time in the future books. |
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Eliza
Joined: 21 Aug 2011 Posts: 743
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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I'm with Islandgirl2, Xina and Linda.
I like series. A lot. The Outlanders and In Deaths are my favorite long-lasting series, and I'm in awe of Gabaldon and Robb for their ability to carry it off so well for so long.
But I also like many others, although I do tend to like the band of friends, so to say, sometimes a bit more than only family sagas, like Mary Balogh's Simply series with school teachers in Bath, or Eloisa James's Duchess series which I thought was over-the-top masterly in keeping each book's ability to be a stand alone but also building to a wonderful finish in the final TWO books.
Now to immediately contradict myself about family series, there's that wonderful Essex Sisters series also by Eloisa James, and the The Rose Hunter series by Connie Brockway which manages to have both a family of sisters AND a band on men dedicated to helping them. There's more but I'll stop there.
Like everything else, it depends on the author's talent and skill. I think the authors I mentioned (and more) pulled off series well while at the same time keeping each book of the series as a unique, single unit. The series connection just adds to the punch/color/flavor/what-have-you of it all, IMO, not to mention to my admiration for the author who can juggle all that so well with each book and the series as a whole.
Finally, I've found some wonderful books that I thought were stand-alones only to realize later were connected books, which I viewed as a surprise bonus when I liked the book I had just read.
So unlike the OP, I don't see all series flat out as "franchises" in a pejorative sense: it all depends on the author and the taste of the reader. . .uh, like much else? |
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stl_reader
Joined: 03 Aug 2011 Posts: 166 Location: Missouri
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | And the guys are kind of stalkery but again, it's ok, because he can smell that the heroine is supposed to be with him forever. |
Oh that explains why he cannot help growling "Mine!" repeatedly while kissing her. He "knows" that she's the one. And no wonder, then, that he decides that he'll never let her go, even if she wants to leave, and even if she thinks that maybe some other guy might be a better mate for her.
Re the topic, I posted the following in the AAR blog post Series, Series, and More Series:
... I posted about When A Duke Says I Do introducing characters, clearly setting them at least one of them for her own book, and then barely referencing them again... Now, I don’t mind an author introducing a peripheral character–say, an aunt–and giving that character a small but organic-seeming role in the novel, letting me get to know enough about him or her so that eventually, should the character get their own book, I’ll be invested enough to read it. But that was not the case in WADSID, as far as I’m concerned. It struck me as a not-very-subtle marketing ploy, no more no less. |
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Nana
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| wendydfw wrote: |
You forgot to mention the one where there are three brothers (or brothers in arms, or sisters or whatever) who miraculously, near the end of book 3 when the series is supposed to end, find out they have an unlimited number of half-siblings, or a step family, or genetic twins or whatever who all need their own stories too! |
You're right! And the series about the tough, mortal heroine with one moderate ability who has to go toe-to-toe with wicked beasties and starts becoming supernatural herself over the course of the books. She has a quirky grandma, I think, and gets a blood transfusion of some kind from a paranormal character. |
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