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tearose



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:05 pm    Post subject: What you dislike about the romance genre Reply with quote

Either overall or currently...

The blog post about series dominating the market got me to thinking. I haven't picked up a romance novel & completed it in quite a while, unless it was a vintage one or a YA one.

This is what I dislike:

1. It is a formulaic. You can guess everything from the backcover, there is practically no suspense.

2. I don't always want a HEA. 'Gone with the Wind' is considered a romance novel, yet it didn't have one.

3. I'm fed up with the Regency/historicals focused upon the nobility, dresses, balls, etc. I don't care about these people.

4. Plots are thin, characters two-dimensional, & it's more telling than showing. What I mean is that it should be fleshed out more.

5. Short courtship, then marriage... C'mon! I don't believe most of these characters actually love each other. They have no reason to whatsoever. It's called lust, not love.

6. I don't like series, because I think that authors seem lazy. Basically, you could take most series & relabel them as stand alones without much effort. After the 4 or 5th book in a series, I stop caring about their easy matchmaking. A series (IMO) should grow with the same characters, adding a few new ones in other time like other book series do.

7. The heroes are usually tall, dark, & white... it's the same people almost every time. It's boring.

8. Lack of conflict between hero & heroine... I don't want them to meet & *poof* it's a love match. I'd rather they actually get to know each other, even dislike each other at first before they fall head over heels.


That's all the complaining I can think of for now.

I'm currently reading this vintage romance novel called 'A Woman of the Century' set during the Edwardian Era. It's beautifully written, the characters seem real, the author clearly did her research, & it isn't in that 12pt or higher font that's in most novels now with about 32-33 lines per page. It's 700 pages with 39 lines per page.

http://www.amazon.com/Woman-Century-Eleanora-Brownleigh/dp/0890838623/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1327431485&sr=8-1

It does have the nobility in it, also the gentry, but the main character is an American heiress who happens to be a doctor as well. The hero is a reticent man who is inexperienced in romantic matters & a virgin. (I'm not certain if she ends up with him, as the backcover doesn't give it away.) It doesn't skip over social boundaries, class prejudice, or sexism that a woman of this era would have experienced even from her wealthy background. I've only read 150 pages, but I can already tell this is going to be a good book. Books like this should be on shelves today.
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xina



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that Gone With The Wind is considered a romance novel. Certainly, it is a novel with a romance in it.
As for complaints...the only real one I have with most all romance novels are the silly covers. As for the rest, I deal with each book individually. Pick and choose. Works for me.
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Eliza



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xina wrote:
...I deal with each book individually. Pick and choose. Works for me.


Me too. Smile
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KayWebbHarrison



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xina wrote:
I don't think that Gone With The Wind is considered a romance novel. Certainly, it is a novel with a romance in it.
As for complaints...the only real one I have with most all romance novels are the silly covers. As for the rest, I deal with each book individually. Pick and choose. Works for me.


Me three.

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erika



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like the overabundance of nice, prefect, good, fake rake heroes and fiesty alpha nonvirginal heroines. I don't like fake historical romances.
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cheri



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tea rose, LOL, you need to switch your location reading, try a western, switch to more angsty books, try Balogh's The Secret Pearl, Gaffneys To have or to hold, or Barberi's Wings of a dove, where it takes the H/h the entire book and their lives to get together which makes the love all the more better for having to work at it. And if that doesn't work you may not be a romance reader because we love our happily ever afters. and I agree with xina, I would not categorize GWTW a romance EVER! I wanted to throw that book at the wall when I was done reading. And as far as not liking things, I would say silly covers and long drawn out love scenes that make me roll my eyes, I know, I know, it's romance but please!
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tearose



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheri wrote:
Tea rose, LOL, you need to switch your location reading, try a western, switch to more angsty books, try Balogh's The Secret Pearl, Gaffneys To have or to hold, or Barberi's Wings of a dove, where it takes the H/h the entire book and their lives to get together which makes the love all the more better for having to work at it. And if that doesn't work you may not be a romance reader because we love our happily ever afters. and I agree with xina, I would not categorize GWTW a romance EVER! I wanted to throw that book at the wall when I was done reading. And as far as not liking things, I would say silly covers and long drawn out love scenes that make me roll my eyes, I know, I know, it's romance but please!
Cheri


I'll have to look into those... I love (some) romance novels, but I think they're formulaic at the same time. I don't restrict my definition to one which requires a HEA, it's too limiting. A movie like 'Bright Star' wouldn't be a romance, but it's clearly about two people's love. Or even 'Romeo & Juliet'.

What's happening with the romance genre, in my view, is how I'm getting burned out on them just as I have with mysteries years ago. You read a few good ones where the authors have created such a fabulous, richly detailed world, & then you read dud after dud. It's like watching 'Scooby Doo' & waiting to hear: 'I could have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for these darn kids!'
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Kristie(J)



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll have to look into those... I love (some) romance novels, but I think they're formulaic at the same time. I don't restrict my definition to one which requires a HEA, it's too limiting.


But that's the very nature of the genre and exactly why so many of us read it *g* There are so many reasons why I love romance but one of the big ones is knowing at the end that love triumphs, the bad guy doesn't win. Real life is full of sadness and pain so it's of great comfort to know when one closes the cover of the book that there's a very good chance you will feel good - unless of course you didn't like the book - then you just might feel ripped off - but you know what I mean Very Happy

As for the same old, same old in historicals, I hear you and feel the same way. That's why many years ago I branched out into all other subgenres, Westerns, SciFi Romance, RS etc - to get some variety within the same genre I love so much.
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Lynda X



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I LOVE the fact that you can count on romances to end happily. I adore knowing that I don't have to worry when I read a romance that I will be filled with angst over a weepy ending.

What I Hate About Romances:

1. The embarrassing covers.
2. The stupid, generic, meaningless titles.
3. The immediate sex, without consideration of the dangers.
4. The constant virgin and the rake, set in Regency or Victorian England. No one in a romance is ever of middle or lower class.
5. The contempt of most people toward romances. Actually, this should be #1.

What I Love About Romances:

1. The happy ending.
2. The great heroes, especially. (Most of the time, the heroines are pretty generic).
3. Reading a great romance is about the closest feeling you can get to actually falling in love.
4. The history in them.
5. The wit of so many romances.
6. Romances are optimistic and totally relaxing, IMO.
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Eggletina



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: What you dislike about the romance genre Reply with quote

tearose wrote:
2. I don't always want a HEA.


I don't always want a HEA either. I think of these books as 'love stories' that can be from any genre, really, rather than romances published within the romance category. I often read by mood, so my mood will definitely influence what kind of story I'm craving at the moment. I sometimes even want tragic love stories.

Publishing is a business, so what is selling now will influence what gets published in the near-term. That drives, in part, the formulaic nature of the plots and settings. I also think some of the traits you mention are traits you find across all genres. That's why finding really good authors and good books can take so much time and why recommendations from those you know have similar tastes can help separate the wheat from the chaff.

I'm also in agreement about the cheesy covers and titles. I stayed away from romance for many years and only really got back into it after I got an ereader. eReaders aren't foolproof though. Sometimes I get a little embarrassed when my husband gets into my account to look for a book to read (he has the kindle app on his netbook). I really don't want him reading my romances. It gives him ideas I don't really want in his head! Laughing
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Jane A



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read romance because of the HEA! Beyond that, I judge each book individually, as Xina said.
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cheri



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the reason I switched Scenery to westerns lately. I was getting burned out on balls and the Ton and I guess the same formula. Here are 2 more books I can recommend.

Karen Ranney- A Promise Of Love, a romance but no formula to it. Beware it is quite violent and the Heroine is very damaged. Great read, it is OOP.

Jonathon Hull's Losing Julia- Not a Romance even though most of the books features a wonderful but heartbreaking romance. Nor is there a HEA in sight.

Cheri
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: What you dislike about the romance genre Reply with quote

[quote="Eggletina"]
tearose wrote:
2. I don't always want a HEA.


I don't always want a HEA either. I think of these books as 'love stories' that can be from any genre, really, rather than romances published within the romance category. I often read by mood, so my mood will definitely influence what kind of story I'm craving at the moment. I sometimes even want tragic love stories.


I know the feeling. I spent an entire summer a couple years ago reading nothing but tear jerkers.

Cheri
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Islandgirl2



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My one gripe is the female is usually the last to know and the one always assuming the wrong thing in the majority of the genre where as the hero seems to have known all along and is the one that intricately solved everything. In most not all of course. That said.

I don't have issues with this genre which is why I guess I love it so much and mostly read it.

But as others have stated of course if there are issues it depends on the individual book and it's author.

I think there are many romances that offer something for everyone some have more internal conflict others deal with character layers and some have intricate plots again just depends on what you are looking for. You just have to dig and find what pleases you but I think that goes for any genre.

As for the formula I think the only formula guaranteed is a HEA. And that's something I want otherwise I'll read something else not a Romance so it's why I appreciate it all the more. It's my pick me up to feel good.

Too many romance writers have broken the standard "formula". So I just don't think it can apply these days.

And I'm reading it for the relationships and falling in love subject matter. Otherwise call it a novel. And if that's what you are interested in basically you can't go wrong.
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JudyZ6666



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kristie(J) wrote:


But that's the very nature of the genre and exactly why so many of us read it *g*


Yep. I teach literature. I get enough angst and suicidal endings (The Awakening, anyone? Wide Sargasso Sea? Love both of these books, but they are a downer, aren't they? <g>) all the time. I read romance BECAUSE of many of the things tea listed. Smile

That said, some are better than others. The authors I reread are the ones who do achieve good characterization. But, I'm OK with History Lite, the same way I'm OK with the portrayal of the Navy in NCIS. It's fiction, and I guess I almost read it as fantasy.

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