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New Captain Blood movie - who would you like to see in it?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bloom and his co. are boys in comparison. I like to look at them but I don't need a movie for that, a billboard or magazine will do.


Amen!! I love Captain Blood so much and still remember how exhilerated I felt after I had seen it for the first time. Such sheer joy! Flynn's Robin Hood was like that as well. Such a pity he dissipated himself into premature old age.

I honestly can't think of any actor now who has the sheer joy that Flynn had.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In addition to the premature old age, another big problem with Flynn is that the studio (Warner Bros) didn't quite realize what they had in him. Flynn obviously excelled in swashbucklers, but he only got to make three proper ones at the prime of his career, Captain Blood, The Adventures of Robin Hood and The Sea Hawk. There is also The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex from the same period, but that one's more of a straight historical and less of a swashbuckler. And while Bette Davis is a wonderful Elizabeth I, she doesn't mesh well with Flynn at all.

But once WWII began for the US, Warner stopped making swashbucklers and instead pushed Flynn into war flicks and westerns, for which he was not suited at all (unlike Burt Lancaster, who was good in anything). In the 1930s/40s, Warner Bros was the most political of the major studios (unlike its current incarnation), which resulted in a lot of very fine films (and some bad propaganda flicks plus a couple of schizophrenic films which cannot figure out what they want to be). But they didn't quite know what to do with Errol Flynn.

And by the time Flynn got back to making swashbucklers in the late 1940s and early 1950s with Don Juan and another one set in Scotland the title of which I've forgotten, he was past his prime.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: New Captain Blood movie - who would you like to see in i Reply with quote

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However, I'm having trouble thinking of anyone better though. Adrian Paul would have been fantastic, I agree. It's a difficult casting - not many actors can pull off both light comedy and drama in the same movie, as well as charm, screen presence and the right physicality for the role... The only person I can think of who could probably do it is Vincent Perez, judging by his recent Fanfan La Tulipe. Unfortunately, I don't think that Captain Blood has a French accent.


I don't get Adrian Paul at all - love the guy, but as Captain Blood?? Can't see it. Now, Vincent Perez is an interesting choice. I think he might be a bit too old for this role--but you know, when he first started out, he was often dismissed as just a pretty face (well, a gorgeous face--the first Christian to make Cyrano believable to me. I completely understood why Roxanne fell for him). But honestly, I don't think Vincent Perez (aka Monsieur Heartthrob) started out a great actor. He became much better as he went along-- because he worked hard, was determined--and he kept getting roles.

Let's give Orlando the same chance!

I thought Mr. Bloom showed a huge improvement in the third Pirates movie. To me, his story was the most interesting by far and he played it with more verve and depth than in the other two movies. The very best part of that whole film was the shot of him lying on the deck toward the end of the film--won't go into details, but it was wildly romantic. I really think he has potential--he just was tossed into stardom before he was ready.

Now, if you're going for a great actor--Russell Crowe. He can play anyone--modern, historical, swashbuckler, intellectual--and do it brilliantly. The man is amazing.

Daniel Craig? Another interesting thought - did anyone ever see him in the BBC mini-series Moll Flanders? He played the highwayman - very, very nicely!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent Perez . . . any excuse to post a photo or two will do!




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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christian Bale? He even looks kind of Errol Flynn-esque.



Although in a Dark Knight smackdown, I'd take Aaron Eckhart, myself.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:32 pm    Post subject: Movie Stars Reply with quote

Yesterday's Washington Post had an interesting article about what made the earlier movie stars so compelling compared to today's stars -- it was how they could move. I must admit that a man who moves well, a man who knows his body and uses it with skill but without self-consciousness, is very sexy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/09/AR2009010901212.html


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a great article, Susan. I never really thought about it, but a lot of the appeal of actors like Errol Flynn, Gene Kelley, Burt Lancaster or indeed Cary Grant comes from the way they move.

I have one minor niggle, though. Cary Grant was originally from Bristol, which means that he most certainly was not a Cockney kid, since Cockney is spoken in London.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: New Captain Blood movie - who would you like to see in i Reply with quote

LizE wrote:
Now, Vincent Perez is an interesting choice. I think he might be a bit too old for this role--but you know, when he first started out, he was often dismissed as just a pretty face (well, a gorgeous face--the first Christian to make Cyrano believable to me. I completely understood why Roxanne fell for him). But honestly, I don't think Vincent Perez (aka Monsieur Heartthrob) started out a great actor. He became much better as he went along-- because he worked hard, was determined--and he kept getting roles.

Let's give Orlando the same chance!


First of all - thanks SO much for the pics.

It's not really an issue on acting but more about the right screen presence. Neither Adrien Paul nor Vincent Perez are great actors [Adrien Paul, as much as I love him, is a terrible actor], but then Errol Flynn wasn't either. It's just that, to varying degrees, I think they can pull off an athletic swashbuckling role with the right combination of devil-may-care attitude, sexiness and steely resolve. To my mind, Orlando Bloom doesn't score well in any of those qualities. As for Vincent Perez, even back in the early days of Cyrano, he had those qualities - perhaps not depth or complexity but those qualities are not really needed in Captain Blood.

I agree, in French cinema Perez was often dismissed as the (extremely) "pretty boy" and not a serious actor, but that's because the juicy roles in French cinema for male leads tend not to be for straight arrow gorgeous heroes. Good looking actors are usually relegated to second fiddle or else play characters who are revealed to have hidden perversions (best case scenario) or more likely, revealed to be weak, cowardly or stupid. You could (and people I'm sure have) write essays on what this reveals about the psyche of the men who dominate the French film industry - especially when so many French films feature barely legal gorgeous nymphomaniacs inexplicably persuing screwed-up middle-aged men while holding deep philosophical discussion about art, mortality and existentialism...

Anyway, as Hollywood has the complete opposite hang-ups, if Perez had been born in the States, he would have been a HUGE star.


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Now, if you're going for a great actor--Russell Crowe. He can play anyone--modern, historical, swashbuckler, intellectual--and do it brilliantly. The man is amazing.


Agree but he doens't have the light touch or devil may care attitude that Errol Flynn did. But then Captain Blood is much more serious than a normal swashbuckler so he could probably pull it off. Can't see him as Robin Hood though...


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Daniel Craig? Another interesting thought - did anyone ever see him in the BBC mini-series Moll Flanders? He played the highwayman - very, very nicely!


I love Daniel Craig but again, too old and too serious for the role - same thing for Christian Bale. BTW, I have seen one version of Moll Flanders but really can't remember him at all - was this the series with the actress who went on to ER?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex Kingston? That's the mini-series of approx. 10 years ago, though I do not recall Daniel Craig being in it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:49 am    Post subject: Re: New Captain Blood movie - who would you like to see in i Reply with quote

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I agree, in French cinema Perez was often dismissed as the (extremely) "pretty boy" and not a serious actor, but that's because the juicy roles in French cinema for male leads tend not to be for straight arrow gorgeous heroes. Good looking actors are usually relegated to second fiddle or else play characters who are revealed to have hidden perversions (best case scenario) or more likely, revealed to be weak, cowardly or stupid. You could (and people I'm sure have) write essays on what this reveals about the psyche of the men who dominate the French film industry - especially when so many French films feature barely legal gorgeous nymphomaniacs inexplicably persuing screwed-up middle-aged men while holding deep philosophical discussion about art, mortality and existentialism...


Yes, there are far too many French films where I watch the trailer, roll my eyes, and then avoid the film like the plague. OTOH, Hollywood films are notorious for having the hero played by a far older actor than the heroine -- Hollywood keeps the age disparity but eliminates the metaphysics.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nana wrote:
Christian Bale? He even looks kind of Errol Flynn-esque.



He immediately popped into my mind too. It would be fun to see him in something less solemn than his usual films (I still haven't seen Dark Knight). I think the tougher role to cast will be the Olivia da Haviland part. Who among our younger actresses has that kind of beauty, grace, and dignity?

I still love the original Captain Blood, especially the black and white - it just glows.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the tougher role to cast will be the Olivia da Haviland part. Who among our younger actresses has that kind of beauty, grace, and dignity?

I'm liking Anne Hathaway at the moment and could totally see it. She does comedy well but has also proved that she has the chops for a more serious part. Christian Bale? Love it. I think Russ is a little too old but Bale is young enough and still has that overt masculinty
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original movie played on TV on Saturday night and as much as I love Pirate movies, I'd never seen this one before then so I knew I had to watch it. I LOVED it. It was very much like a romance book Smile
Acting has changed so much over the years that it would be interesting to see this remade.
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I nominate Johnny Depp or Hugh Jackmanfor "Captain Blood."

As a teenager, I adored Flynn (I still do, in spite of knowing that I wouldn't have liked him in person, and boy, did his degeneracy catch up with him quick). I think "The Sea Hawk" is MUCH more romantic than "Captain Blood," although there was something very special about deHaviland and Flynn.
If you haven't seen both, do yourself a favor and get them. Priceless.

PS Flynn's "Robin Hood" is the best of ANY version too!
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny Depp. He's always original, he can do the brooding undercurrent of the character and he's absolutely gorgeous when he needs to be.
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