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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:27 pm    Post subject: Dark Needs at Night's Edge Reply with quote

Just finished reading book 3 in the Immortals After Dark series by Kresley Cole, and I think everything so far has been phenomenal. I'd definitely count this series among my favourites, not too far behind the Psy/Changeling series. But I was shocked when I saw a D grade for book 4. Have any of you read it, and what did you think? I haven't bought it yet, and i'm anxious about reading it. I've loved Ms. Cole's books so far, so I don't want to be disappointed.
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:00 pm    Post subject: Dark Needs At Night's Edge Reply with quote

I would not worry about reading the book at all. I loved it and found the objections in the review were the parts that intrigued me the most. The main characters have been living in their heads for decades and or centuries and continue to do so until they learn to communicate with each other. I found the story touching with Neomi being Conrad's redemption. Perhaps it is not a good idea for a reviewer to start a series on book 4. Jump in and read it and let us know if I am alone in my feelings. I am thrilled that Cade's book is coming out next month.
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just finished it about five minutes ago. I'd say that it's my second favorite of the four in the series so far (my favorite being No Rest for the Wicked). A solid B grade is what I would (will?) give it if/when I review it on my blog. My main complaint would be with the ending...took a bit too long to wrap everything up and felt drawn out. However, I quite enjoyed both the hero and heroine. It's refreshing to see a sexually experienced heroine who is not ashamed of her past and who has a thing or two to teach the hero. Also, appearances of Mari, Bowen, Sebastian and Nix from previous stories were integrated into the story and not just cameos.

High points for me include the fact that Conrad and Neomi spend a lot of time talking and getting to know each other before any nookie occurs (due to her being a ghost and all). Also, I liked Mari way better in this book than I did in her own story. Cole has created a really interesting world with her Lore and I'm having fun visiting it. Cade's story should be good, but honestly, I'm really waiting for Rydstrom. heh. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the others who replied. I really enjoyed the fourth book and rank it right up there with the others in the series. I felt the review was extremely biased by the fact that the reviewer had not read the other books in the series. This is a fairly involved world and I can certainly see where it might be confusing and difficult to enjoy for someone starting the series in the fourth book, but if you have read the other books in the series then I wouldn't worry about enjoying.
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, ladies! Smile I'm relieved none of you thought it was a dud, even though I find it hard to imagine Kresley Cole writing anything that even remotely approaches wall-banger status. I guess this is one of those instances where you need to be immersed in the world to enjoy the subsequent installments. While reading the third book, I did think to myself that it was a book you shouldn't read before the previous two.

Ohh, Rydstrom, I get hot flashes just thinking about him. Wink I have a feeling we'll have to wait for his story.
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoyed the 4th book too---the hero/heroine talking to themselves really drew me in, especially. A nice way to get to know the characters and a great change from the norm.

I would rate it a strong B, if asked, but I agree with the others who think it's definitely best not to start on book 3 or 4 of a series. Not only is it not fair to yourself as a reader, but it doesn't seem fair to the author either.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mamaofthree1963 wrote:
I enjoyed the 4th book too---the hero/heroine talking to themselves really drew me in, especially. A nice way to get to know the characters and a great change from the norm.

I would rate it a strong B, if asked, but I agree with the others who think it's definitely best not to start on book 3 or 4 of a series. Not only is it not fair to yourself as a reader, but it doesn't seem fair to the author either.


I would disagree - I believe romances should be written as standalone books - the only exception would be if we follow the relationship of the same couple through many books in which case I can see the point. The As to it not being fair to the author, I think it's the other way round really if they are not standalone.

In terms of this book, this was actually the first book I read in the series - I started the first book some time ago and found it to be a complete wallbanger for me after the first chapter. However, I really liked this one - mostly because the set up was unusual and I really liked the main hero/heroine. I especially liked the sexual tension that wasn't sexual - made a huge change from instant lusting which gets a bit tired after a while.

It did go completely downhill for me once all these other characters came barging through - it felt like a 180 degree tonal shift from dark and intense to silly and campy. This could be a reaction to not having read the previous books but judging on how the other characters came across in this one, I think this is going to be my one and only Cole.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stayed up till 3 this morning just to finish this book in one sitting. I really liked it, pretty much for the reasons listed above in the previous posts. The characters were interesting and different, and I loved how they didn't fall into bed together right away (therefore building up the sexual tension).

I tend to read the books of a series in order, so I don't often start in the middle unless by accident. I don't really mind if a book is not standalone; this usually makes me read the other books in the series. I think in a series like this one, where previous characters are all over the place, it would get tedious to keep explaining each character and their backstories, etc. And that is something I enjoy about Cole's books - all the recurring characters make me feel like I'm immersed in her world.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It took me forever to read this book. I love KC's historicals, but her paranormals, I've decided, just don't do it for me. The sex scenes are hot and are almost worth buying the book for, but the stories are not captivating enough for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finally got around to reading this book and stayed up till 6am to finish it. Then I went back to read the review...and were we reading the same book? Shocked I don't think there were any instances where the characters were thinking to themselves to such an extent that it became frustrating. I found it easy to read their thoughts, and it was often broken up by action and h/h interaction. As for info-dumping - again: Shocked I find it a bit unsettling that meaty, inventive and truly exciting paranormals like this one get anywhere near a D grade, and at the same time i've read some shockingly flimsy paranormals based on A-grade reviews. This review completely befuddled me. I really enjoyed this installment and i'd easily give it an A - can't wait for Cade's book! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Retrograde wrote:
I finally got around to reading this book and stayed up till 6am to finish it. Then I went back to read the review...and were we reading the same book? Shocked I don't think there were any instances where the characters were thinking to themselves to such an extent that it became frustrating. I found it easy to read their thoughts, and it was often broken up by action and h/h interaction. As for info-dumping - again: Shocked I find it a bit unsettling that meaty, inventive and truly exciting paranormals like this one get anywhere near a D grade, and at the same time i've read some shockingly flimsy paranormals based on A-grade reviews. This review completely befuddled me. I really enjoyed this installment and i'd easily give it an A - can't wait for Cade's book! Very Happy


I disagreed with the D grade, also, but it was apparent to me that the reviewer would not have enjoyed any of the IAD books and therefore I wasn't put off by it. This series is by far my favorite paranormal series out there.

And BTW, Cade's book is great, also. Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I admit that I haven't read the entire series except the first (which was just okay), then this one. I remember trying to read the second one but didn't finish it because it didn't work for me from almost the beginning.

That being said, I LOVED Neomi and Conrad's story. I may be biased, because I love reading heroes with dark history. But I especially enjoyed Neomi's interaction with Conrad, his insecurities and her strength. They really complement each other. I found the background info in this book sufficient without over-taking the main story. I skipped the cheat sheet in the beginning of the book (it's just mumbo jumbo words without adding any meaning to the story).

All in all, it has been a good read for me. Not sure if I want to dive straight into Cade's book though. The thing about series like this, I really have to space them out or I'll end up feeling like I just read the same book twice.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jane A wrote:
And BTW, Cade's book is great, also. Cool



Yes, it is [for me, at least].

BTW, Rydstrom's book should be out in Feb 2009 Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

+IHS+

CD wrote:
mamaofthree1963 wrote:
I enjoyed the 4th book too---the hero/heroine talking to themselves really drew me in, especially. A nice way to get to know the characters and a great change from the norm.

I would rate it a strong B, if asked, but I agree with the others who think it's definitely best not to start on book 3 or 4 of a series. Not only is it not fair to yourself as a reader, but it doesn't seem fair to the author either.


I would disagree - I believe romances should be written as standalone books - the only exception would be if we follow the relationship of the same couple through many books in which case I can see the point. The As to it not being fair to the author, I think it's the other way round really if they are not standalone.

In terms of this book, this was actually the first book I read in the series - I started the first book some time ago and found it to be a complete wallbanger for me after the first chapter. However, I really liked this one - mostly because the set up was unusual and I really liked the main hero/heroine. I especially liked the sexual tension that wasn't sexual - made a huge change from instant lusting which gets a bit tired after a while.

It did go completely downhill for me once all these other characters came barging through - it felt like a 180 degree tonal shift from dark and intense to silly and campy. This could be a reaction to not having read the previous books but judging on how the other characters came across in this one, I think this is going to be my one and only Cole.


I find I agree with your assessment, CD. I liked the first half of the book (and personally intrigued by the idea that a Fallen vampire could be cured of his bloodlust), but once Mari, Nix and everyone else started taking leading roles, I felt that that the story lost its centre of gravity.

Also, the ending felt very contrived, as if Cole were making up the Lore rules about ghosts and phantoms to suit the plot, instead of having made them up beforehand and making sure the plot fit them.

This impression of mine may just be due to not yet having read Mari's story, since she plays such a huge role in this one--but there's no reason any new rules from that novel couldn't have been reiterated at the beginning of this novel.

Having said that . . . CD, it would be a shame if this were your one and only Cole. No Rest for the Wicked is a great example of a second book that can stand on its own--and I really love it. Razz Why not give it a try?

PS--Incidentally, my problems with Dark Needs reflect my issues with another Cole novel, If You Desire. It's the second in the MacCarrick Brothers trilogy and seems more dependent on the previous book (for both its set-up and its resolution) than it ought to be.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schola wrote:
I find I agree with your assessment, CD. I liked the first half of the book (and personally intrigued by the idea that a Fallen vampire could be cured of his bloodlust), but once Mari, Nix and everyone else started taking leading roles, I felt that that the story lost its centre of gravity.

Also, the ending felt very contrived, as if Cole were making up the Lore rules about ghosts and phantoms to suit the plot, instead of having made them up beforehand and making sure the plot fit them.

This impression of mine may just be due to not yet having read Mari's story, since she plays such a huge role in this one--but there's no reason any new rules from that novel couldn't have been reiterated at the beginning of this novel.

Having said that . . . CD, it would be a shame if this were your one and only Cole. No Rest for the Wicked is a great example of a second book that can stand on its own--and I really love it. Razz Why not give it a try?

PS--Incidentally, my problems with Dark Needs reflect my issues with another Cole novel, If You Desire. It's the second in the MacCarrick Brothers trilogy and seems more dependent on the previous book (for both its set-up and its resolution) than it ought to be.

I had the opposite reaction - I wanted to see more of Mari and Bowen! Very Happy It felt that, while they had a big role to play, we didn't see that much of them. And Nix is pivotal to all the stories, because she's lining up events so her side wins the Accession. They're all linked in various ways, so having Mari and her growing powers resolve the problem worked really well (for me at least). Also, it was made clear that Neomi was a rare creature born out of a violent death and her own strong will to survive. On top of that, Conrad was instrumental in giving her the desire for life once more, with Mari's powers doing the rest. I never felt that anyone else took lead roles.
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