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Joanna Bourne - The Spymaster's Lady
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dick



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Annique reminded me of Garwood's medieval heroines--unusual experiences and abilities, yet artlessly innocent. One might say the tone, too, was like Garwood's.
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Kristie(J)



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dick wrote:
Annique reminded me of Garwood's medieval heroines--unusual experiences and abilities, yet artlessly innocent. One might say the tone, too, was like Garwood's.


Can't say I see that comparison at all. I loved Annique but I consider most of Garwood's heroines to be utter twits. I loved them in their day, but most don't stand the test of time for me. Her heroines just seemed to bumble their way through the books and if they got something right it was almost by accident.
Annique on the other hand knows at all time exactly what she is doing. She has a plan and sticks to it. She does have a certain air of innocence about her - but I thought that was in the matter of the heart and how she reacts to people. I thought she was actually very clever. In addition, I think Grey respected her brain a lot more than the heroes of Garwood respect their heroines thinking prowess
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kristie(J) wrote:
Annique on the other hand knows at all time exactly what she is doing. She has a plan and sticks to it.

I'm still only about a third of the way thru the book, but there was an "aha" moment when she was taking out the bullet from Adrian (mind you, under her extenuating circumstances at the time). I questioned that whole procedure--but what do I know?
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MrsFairfax



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tee wrote:

I'm still only about a third of the way thru the book, but there was an "aha" moment when she was taking out the bullet from Adrian (mind you, under her extenuating circumstances at the time). I questioned that whole procedure--but what do I know?


Hey, if she could wander the countryside alone for five months, she could do surgery.
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Tee



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrsFairfax wrote:
Hey, if she could wander the countryside alone for five months, she could do surgery.

Oops--forgot about that. Oversight on my part. Laughing
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msaggie



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:29 pm    Post subject: Taking out bullets- not sure about spoilers Reply with quote

Tee wrote:
I'm still only about a third of the way thru the book, but there was an "aha" moment when she was taking out the bullet from Adrian (mind you, under her extenuating circumstances at the time). I questioned that whole procedure--but what do I know?

SOME SPOILERS BUT NOT RELATED TO PLOT REALLY











Actually, speaking as a physician, the location of that bullet is quite superficial - lodged as it is between the collar bone and the first rib. Adrian's major danger was infection (persistent presence of a foreign body, etc). The axillary artery runs quite near it, definitely, and nicking it would mean arterial haemorrhage, and likely death for Adrian. Going in with a forceps through the entry site is OK as it's so superficial, you could feel it from poking through the skin, as is in the book. And you do the whole thing by feel - there is no direct vision removal of the bullet - one could try to widen the entry site to peek in, I suppose. Having said that, I have never removed a bullet in my life (being trained in the UK, we don't get many bullet-wounds in casualty), but it sounds OK, the way it's written in The Spymaster's Lady.
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Tee



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Taking out bullets- not sure about spoilers Reply with quote

msaggie wrote:
Having said that, I have never removed a bullet in my life (being trained in the UK, we don't get many bullet-wounds in casualty), but it sounds OK, the way it's written in The Spymaster's Lady.

Well, thanks, msaggie, for taking the time to clarify that; because, for sure, those weren't my thoughts. I kept imagining her doing that in her condition but it just didn't seem plausible.

Actually, I'm finally past the point of that particular challenge of hers and I can honestly say the story is now beginning to engross me so much more. I think I had some real questions regarding some of her accomplishments when she had so little time to get accustomed to the unexpected handicap.

I'm trying very hard to say all of the above without spoilers so I'll stop right now, but I do appreciate your setting me straight on that procedure (as unbelievable as it sounds). Shocked
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reenydet



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:21 am    Post subject: Spymaster's Lady Reply with quote

I know this is weird of me, but I don't like experienced heroines. From the reviews and knowing that she's a French spy, I'm betting the heroine is experienced. I don't want to spoil the book for others by asking for a lot of info, but could someone just let me know--experienced or not?
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Tee



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Spymaster's Lady Reply with quote

reenydet wrote:
but could someone just let me know--experienced or not?

I'll send it in a PM to you, reenydet.
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dick



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

toKristieJ: The heroines of Honor's Splendor, Saving Grace, Lion's Lady, and especially The Prize, all have remarkable capabilities, and all of them "plan." The heroine of The Prize, like Annique, is a captive being escorted by her captor to the king because of her ability as a "warrior" and her association and knowledge of the Saxon rebels, tries constantly to escape, just as Annique does, and she and her escort--the hero--wind up just as Annique and Grey do.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dick wrote:
toKristieJ: The heroines of Honor's Splendor, Saving Grace, Lion's Lady, and especially The Prize, all have remarkable capabilities, and all of them "plan." The heroine of The Prize, like Annique, is a captive being escorted by her captor to the king because of her ability as a "warrior" and her association and knowledge of the Saxon rebels, tries constantly to escape, just as Annique does, and she and her escort--the hero--wind up just as Annique and Grey do.


At least none of Garwood's heroines tried to strangle the hero! Laughing
I adore Garwood's heroines, but I don't see Annique like them at all. She manipulates the situation and is sneaky and will do anything to get her way. I was surprised she didn't kick Grey where it hurts so she could escape.
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roseisa



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Katiebabs wrote - I was surprised she didn't kick Grey where it hurts so she could escape.


Actually she did try, but space was limited being in a coach. What suprised and saddened me was her age, so very young to be jaded and dangerous.........
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msaggie



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:09 am    Post subject: Annique's age Reply with quote

roseisa wrote:
..What suprised and saddened me was her age, so very young to be jaded and dangerous.........
I think somewhere in Joanna Bourne's blog, she mentions Annique's age - she has to be able to pass off as a boy. If she was much older, it would be less believable. And the young are very passionate about the Revolution, and this is mentioned by several of the protagonists in the story - which makes the revelations at the end very poignant. I think Bourne unfolded that twist to the story very well. Most excellent book - I am on my 3rd re-reading already (am I obsessed? I just love Annique's voice)
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: Annique's age Reply with quote

I thought that story twist at the end was a betrayal of Annique and the rest of the book. It was the only thing I didn't like about a wonderful novel.

msaggie wrote:
roseisa wrote:
..What suprised and saddened me was her age, so very young to be jaded and dangerous.........
I think somewhere in Joanna Bourne's blog, she mentions Annique's age - she has to be able to pass off as a boy. If she was much older, it would be less believable. And the young are very passionate about the Revolution, and this is mentioned by several of the protagonists in the story - which makes the revelations at the end very poignant. I think Bourne unfolded that twist to the story very well. Most excellent book - I am on my 3rd re-reading already (am I obsessed? I just love Annique's voice)
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Tee



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:23 am    Post subject: Re: Annique's age Reply with quote

msaggie wrote:
I think somewhere in Joanna Bourne's blog, she mentions Annique's age

Annique's age is 19, which is mentioned a couple times thru the book.

However, I couldn't get a grasp on Grey's age. I think one time it was mentioned that Annique thought him to be late 30s, but I'm not sure of that. Did anyone else pick up on something that was more accurate? It doesn't make much difference to me other than just curiosity.
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