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bijoux
Joined: 30 Jan 2009 Posts: 379
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:21 am Post subject: Smooth Talking Stranger Review |
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The review is up here.
I'm not too crazy about this part:
| Quote: | Ella and Jack having lots of sex and then hanging out with Jack's siblings (who starred in Kleypas's earlier contemporaries). Readers who have read the other books will probably welcome seeing old friends. But while I found them all completely likable, I mostly felt like their gatherings were proof of how rich they all were.
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Yulie
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 1045 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:39 am Post subject: |
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This is more of a concern to me: | Quote: | | Jack ends up taking care of Ella. He finds her a place to stay, helps her with Luke, and helps her out of her half-hearted veganism. |
Is this a grown up, independent woman who sometimes needs help from others, just like we all do - or is this a pattern of the hero making decisions for the heroine? The latter did not come across in the excerpts I've read, but this part of the review makes me wonder.
Also on that note, I'm a vegetarian, and I don't need anyone "helping me out of it", thank you very much. I don't find the notion of someone trying to talk me into eating steaks attractive. On the other hand, if the choices she'd made in her life were made for the wrong reasons (e.g. to please others, to satisfy some image she'd constructed for herself that was never really right for her, etc.), that's a different matter. |
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bijoux
Joined: 30 Jan 2009 Posts: 379
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| One excerpt (although, of course, I can't remember which one) indicated that Ella is indeed a "half-hearted vegan" and that she only decided to become one because of her boyfriend. So, I don't think it will be Jack making her bend to his will and ways, but making her realize that she did this to please someone else and figure out what it is that she wants. |
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xina

Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 6627 Location: minneapolis
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Smooth Talking Stranger Review |
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| bijoux wrote: | The review is up here.
I'm not too crazy about this part:
| Quote: | Ella and Jack having lots of sex and then hanging out with Jack's siblings (who starred in Kleypas's earlier contemporaries). Readers who have read the other books will probably welcome seeing old friends. But while I found them all completely likable, I mostly felt like their gatherings were proof of how rich they all were.
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Well, to be fair, the reviewer said she hasn't read the previous books. I sometimes hate when all the characters from previous books gather all at once, but other times, I enjoy seeing them again. All depends on the scene I guess. I think it's easier to feel a connection to these people if you know them from their own books. _________________ "As you wish"
~The Princess Bride |
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Yulie
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 1045 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| bijoux wrote: | | One excerpt (although, of course, I can't remember which one) indicated that Ella is indeed a "half-hearted vegan" and that she only decided to become one because of her boyfriend. So, I don't think it will be Jack making her bend to his will and ways, but making her realize that she did this to please someone else and figure out what it is that she wants. |
That sounds reasonable, I'll have to wait and see how it's written. It just annoys me when people think being vegetarian (or vegan) as some trend that you drop as soon as the next big thing comes in, or of us vegetarians as poor deprived souls who spend their days craving meat. Really, I don't. I might occasionally crave good quality bittersweet chocolate, fresh baked bread and cookies and my mom's cheese souffle, but not hamburgers. If I had a dollar for every time I was asked "but don't you want a nice steak" the financial situation these days would be a non-issue for me! :D
Re the rich characters, that's the setup for the series, so it really shuldn't come as a surprise. Those of us who have read the first two books know that Liberty and Hardy both experienced real poverty, and that Liberty had some difficulty coming to terms with Gage's wealth when they became a couple. |
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Sandy AAR
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 443
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Jumping in here. Not the reviewer for this one, but I have read it.
As bijoux says, the character's veganism was more to please her previous boyfriend. Yes, she gives it up but I think that's more of an independence thing than a result of being unduly subject to Jack's influence.
I really liked both the hero and heroine. |
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blytheaar

Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 49 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Yulie wrote: | | bijoux wrote: | | One excerpt (although, of course, I can't remember which one) indicated that Ella is indeed a "half-hearted vegan" and that she only decided to become one because of her boyfriend. So, I don't think it will be Jack making her bend to his will and ways, but making her realize that she did this to please someone else and figure out what it is that she wants. |
That sounds reasonable, I'll have to wait and see how it's written. It just annoys me when people think being vegetarian (or vegan) as some trend that you drop as soon as the next big thing comes in, or of us vegetarians as poor deprived souls who spend their days craving meat. Really, I don't. I might occasionally crave good quality bittersweet chocolate, fresh baked bread and cookies and my mom's cheese souffle, but not hamburgers. If I had a dollar for every time I was asked "but don't you want a nice steak" the financial situation these days would be a non-issue for me! :D
Re the rich characters, that's the setup for the series, so it really shuldn't come as a surprise. Those of us who have read the first two books know that Liberty and Hardy both experienced real poverty, and that Liberty had some difficulty coming to terms with Gage's wealth when they became a couple. |
I didn't mention it in my review, but I'm a vegetarian myself - and have been for over 20 years. I didn't really mind the hero helping her out of it, so to speak, because as others have mentioned, her heart was never in it in the first place.
Ironically, I actually hopped on the vegetarian bandwagon because my husband (then boyfriend) was one. He's been eating meat for a good fifteen years now, and I have no plans whatsoever to stop being a vegetarian. _________________ Blythe
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Cora
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 1088 Location: Bremen, Germany
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Yulie wrote: | It just annoys me when people think being vegetarian (or vegan) as some trend that you drop as soon as the next big thing comes in, or of us vegetarians as poor deprived souls who spend their days craving meat. Really, I don't. I might occasionally crave good quality bittersweet chocolate, fresh baked bread and cookies and my mom's cheese souffle, but not hamburgers. If I had a dollar for every time I was asked "but don't you want a nice steak" the financial situation these days would be a non-issue for me!
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I'm not a full vegetarian, I simply do not care for meat (though I eat it on occasion), and this annoys me as well. Vegetarians (and vegans) are not unhappy and they actually do not miss eating meat. Most likely, they simply don't think meat is the be all and end all of food.
I don't have a problem with anyone eating meat, but some of us just don't like it and we're not missing out on anything. |
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cpeachy

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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:37 am Post subject: |
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i am with Cora in this one .
We rarely had meat at home because we could not afford it ,so i don't eat much of it.
I do feel guilty for not giving more meat to my children though.
to the vegetarian ,is your children vegetarian too? |
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Estelle

Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 337 Location: France
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| Could I request a spoiler by any chance? Is the hero indeed a possible father for the baby? In other words, did he sleep with the heroine's sister? I'm not too fond of that type of storyline so I'd rather know in advance before deciding whether to read the book or not. |
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Yulie
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 1045 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| blytheaar wrote: | | I didn't mention it in my review, but I'm a vegetarian myself - and have been for over 20 years. I didn't really mind the hero helping her out of it, so to speak, because as others have mentioned, her heart was never in it in the first place. |
Thats interesting - from the way that part was phrased, I wouldn't have guessed you were also a vegetarian - and for longer than I have been (18 years, since before high school) . Would it be more accurate to maybe say that the hero helps her decide for herself what's meaningful to her and what isn't? That's certainly more appealing, and not just when it comes to being a vegetarian.
cpeachy, I don't have any children yet. I would probably give them meat, though I would make an effort to be ethical about what I buy (e.g. free range stuff) and I'd probably avoid red meat, mostly for health reasons. Just as my parents let me make my own choice about what I wanted, I believe it is important for children to have the opportunity to try different things and make their own decisions when they are ready to do so. I don't want to force vegetarianism on anyone - what we eat and how we live should be a personal choice. |
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blytheaar

Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 49 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:27 am Post subject: I'd say it's a little more heavy handed than that... |
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I think the way I phrased it was pretty accurate. He doesn't help her decide for herself so much as he lures her out of what she never really believed in anyway. To be clear, it's not just vegetarianism he is luring her out of, but veganism. It didn't come across as "all vegetarians secretly want a good steak" to me. (I, too, never think about wanting a good steak, but I would personally never be a vegan either).
To answer another question, one of my teenage daughters is a vegetarian, and has been for several years. The rest of my kids eat meat. This particular daughter read Smooth Talking Stranger as well, and we talked about the vegetarian thing. What bothered her was that the heroine had become a vegan in the first place when her heart wasn't really in it, just for a man. I guess it bothered me less partly because I am older and have seen people do plenty of stupid things for the wrong reasons. Or maybe because I initially became a vegetarian because of a man.  _________________ Blythe
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Yulie
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 1045 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| Blythe, I hope I'm not coming across as too critical, because that's not my intention. What I'm trying to clarify here for myself is whether or not he's making decisions for her - I'm not comfortable with that, even if it is well-intentioned. What was your impression of the dynamics between them? |
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Ellen AAR
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:43 am Post subject: |
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I am so looking forward to this - I have quite fallen in love with Lisa Kleypas's contemporary romances. As for the heroine's being a vegetarian.....I read a Harlequin Superromance by Bobby Hutchinson several years ago where the heroine was a vegan chef, and quite frankly was a total b*tch about it. If I had been the hero of that book, I'd have called her out for her rudeness and walked off. Instead, he married her. Poor man - he's going to be miserable.
I eat very little meat myself and during Lent I give it up entirely. I really don't miss it much. |
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Linda in sw va

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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm, I spent several years as a vegetarian and I have to say in the beginning I really missed meat a lot. I went vegetarian because of how horribly the animals are treated in factory farming but as for taste..well I've always liked the taste of meat. My family ate meat though and I would cook it for them and let them make their own choices, I would never have tried to push my own beliefs on them. I ended up becoming very sick at one point a few years down the road and the only thing I found I could stomach after weeks of trying various types of food was chicken soup which I tried as a last resort. So that and there was the end of me being vegetarian. I fount out months later I was also severely anemic and even though I loved beans and greens and ate plenty of them was not absorbing enough iron in my vegetarian diet. I was tired all the time and my hair started thinning out. Once my doctor realized what was wrong I was on iron supplements 3 times a day until I built my reserves back up. I have more energy now than ever and my hair has recovered and I feel healthier now that I eat meat than I did when I did not, though it's not supposed to be that way according to a lot of what you read.
I for one think it would be interesting to have a vegetarian heroine but not if she's going to be preachy and judgmental toward those who are not.
Linda _________________ "The Bookshop has a thousand books, all colors, hues and tinges, and every cover is a door that turns on magic hinges." ~ Nancy Byrd Turner |
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