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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diana wrote:
I've just finished the second Fifty book and I am really impressed with how EL James managed to write such a compelling story with enduring characters. She really did set the world on fire. Must think on this.

I'm all for laughing at our fandom but seriously the Romance Man did not make me lmao but rather screw up my brow in disgust. We really don't have to take that misogynistic crap and be good sports about it. If there actually is a Mrs. I'm sure she just loves the vagina jokes. Ugh.

I am going to post my thoughts on the books soon. Look forward to making you all rehash it. Wink



Glad you are enjoying them! I was thinking of doing a reread, since that is all I do lately. Reread. Will be fun to talk about the books again.
As for Mr. Romance, I doubt there is a Mrs. Romance, maybe there is an ex-Mrs. Romance. At any rate, I don't mind reading these humorous articles. Much better than the snide comments coming from people who haven't read the book(s). I read one comment yesterday calling James an *upstart wannabe*. I think she's hopped off the wannabe train and has arrived.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linda in sw va wrote:
Diana wrote:
I am going to post my thoughts on the books soon. Look forward to making you all rehash it. Wink


ohhhhh darn, NOT! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guys,

have you heard the news about Sylvia Day's Bared to You being picked up by Berkley publishing house? And look at the new cover - if anyone doubted this was a 50 Shades ripoff before, the cover is an additional proof.

Linda, have you ever finished reading it? What do you think?

It's marketed as a better written 50 Shades but I find that lately I have a problem with "good writing". Here's the blurb from the book:

"Gideon Cross came into my life like lightning in the darkness—beautiful and brilliant, jagged and white-hot. I was drawn to him as I'd never been to anything or anyone in my life. I craved his touch like a drug, even knowing it would weaken me. I was flawed and damaged, and he opened those cracks in me so easily..."

This is supposedly written (or thought) by a 24-year old girl. It does not sound natural to me at all, it sounds like it is written by a romance book author. Whenever I read a book (and I read a lot of such books lately), supposedly well-written and all I am doing is thinking about the writing (and not admiringly) and not about the story or the characters, it's not a good sign.

That's one of the things I liked about 50 Shades (as I later realized) - it's written in a believable voice of a young girl.

But anyway, I hope there will be a separate thread about Bared to You later when enough people will have read it. I would be very interested especially in opinions of those who read both books.

So far some people write that it's a lot like 50 Shades but much more explicit yet other people are lamenting the fact that FS and not BtY will be made into a movie. I am confused with the level of heat.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot to include the link to the news about BtY to which I referred at the beginning of my post:

http://books.usatoday.com/bookbuzz/post/2012-05-24/sylvia-days-bared-to-you-sees-word-of-mouth-success/700540/1
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mirole wrote:
Hey guys,

have you heard the news about Sylvia Day's Bared to You being picked up by Berkley publishing house? And look at the new cover - if anyone doubted this was a 50 Shades ripoff before, the cover is an additional proof.

Linda, have you ever finished reading it? What do you think?

It's marketed as a better written 50 Shades but I find that lately I have a problem with "good writing". Here's the blurb from the book:

"Gideon Cross came into my life like lightning in the darkness—beautiful and brilliant, jagged and white-hot. I was drawn to him as I'd never been to anything or anyone in my life. I craved his touch like a drug, even knowing it would weaken me. I was flawed and damaged, and he opened those cracks in me so easily..."

This is supposedly written (or thought) by a 24-year old girl. It does not sound natural to me at all, it sounds like it is written by a romance book author. Whenever I read a book (and I read a lot of such books lately), supposedly well-written and all I am doing is thinking about the writing (and not admiringly) and not about the story or the characters, it's not a good sign.

That's one of the things I liked about 50 Shades (as I later realized) - it's written in a believable voice of a young girl.

But anyway, I hope there will be a separate thread about Bared to You later when enough people will have read it. I would be very interested especially in opinions of those who read both books.

So far some people write that it's a lot like 50 Shades but much more explicit yet other people are lamenting the fact that FS and not BtY will be made into a movie. I am confused with the level of heat.



Mirole, I think we all weighed in on Bared To You. You'll have to look back 50 pages or so. LOL. And I agree, the inner thoughts of the heroine from BTY sound very much like romance novel writing, and not the thoughts of a very young women like Ana in FSoG, where her inner thoughts gave the novel character, made it a step apart from a romance novel. I also think that cover is meant for people who loved 50, and might pick it up thinking that the EL James wrote that book too. I was in Barnes and Noble the other day and the James books are front and center in 3 areas of the bookstore. Of course the publisher is hoping the cover will catch the eye of the fans of 50. I wonder about the groups on Twitter and blogs trying desperately to sell the Day novel. There certainly is a lot of anger out there on the success of James.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mirole wrote:
Hey guys,

have you heard the news about Sylvia Day's Bared to You being picked up by Berkley publishing house? And look at the new cover - if anyone doubted this was a 50 Shades ripoff before, the cover is an additional proof.

Linda, have you ever finished reading it? What do you think?

It's marketed as a better written 50 Shades but I find that lately I have a problem with "good writing". Here's the blurb from the book:

"Gideon Cross came into my life like lightning in the darkness—beautiful and brilliant, jagged and white-hot. I was drawn to him as I'd never been to anything or anyone in my life. I craved his touch like a drug, even knowing it would weaken me. I was flawed and damaged, and he opened those cracks in me so easily..."

This is supposedly written (or thought) by a 24-year old girl. It does not sound natural to me at all, it sounds like it is written by a romance book author. Whenever I read a book (and I read a lot of such books lately), supposedly well-written and all I am doing is thinking about the writing (and not admiringly) and not about the story or the characters, it's not a good sign.

That's one of the things I liked about 50 Shades (as I later realized) - it's written in a believable voice of a young girl.

But anyway, I hope there will be a separate thread about Bared to You later when enough people will have read it. I would be very interested especially in opinions of those who read both books.

So far some people write that it's a lot like 50 Shades but much more explicit yet other people are lamenting the fact that FS and not BtY will be made into a movie. I am confused with the level of heat.


Mirole, I couldn't finish Bared to You, just did not work for me on so many levels! Obviously she's trying to tag along with the Fifty Shades popularity but I highly doubt this book will ever get as much attention, it's just not good enough, try as it might.

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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:10 am    Post subject: Favourable review + a funny Mrs. Giggles romp Reply with quote

carlyphillips‏@carlyphillips

Nice Smile RT @SavannahChase: Finally, my Review of 50 Shades of Grey http://goo.gl/13I7A via @booksavvybabe

Can everyone see the link -- http://goo.gl/13I7A -- I agree w/the writer, the incredible naivete of Ana was a tad over-the-top on the believability scale. Not that I couldn't get past it LoL

And here's Mrs. Giggles -- her comment about unicorns in the soap suds is pretty funny. Hey, she read it and didn't care for it and had a little fun. That works for me!

http://mrsgiggles.com/books/james_grey.html

Of course Giggles couldn't be more wrong about the covers -- those covers were the SAME ones that E L James chose way back before she sold 10 million copies in 6 weeks (or as some writers, like Jodi Picoult, like to phrase it, before the end of western civilization ...). The publisher would have been an idiot to change them and they didn't. As for the cufflinks on Bared to You, maybe they were there to remind us the couple got undressed? Who knows but Day tweeted that the UK covers of Bared to You will NOT have a piece of gentleman's clothing on the cover. So what do you make of that?

Edited to add a critique (snark/funny) from a British writer:

http://helenlewiswrites.tumblr.com/post/23601705986/reading-50-shades-of-grey
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hey guys,

have you heard the news about Sylvia Day's Bared to You being picked up by Berkley publishing house? And look at the new cover - if anyone doubted this was a 50 Shades ripoff before, the cover is an additional proof.

Linda, have you ever finished reading it? What do you think?

It's marketed as a better written 50 Shades but I find that lately I have a problem with "good writing". Here's the blurb from the book:

"Gideon Cross came into my life like lightning in the darkness—beautiful and brilliant, jagged and white-hot. I was drawn to him as I'd never been to anything or anyone in my life. I craved his touch like a drug, even knowing it would weaken me. I was flawed and damaged, and he opened those cracks in me so easily..."

This is supposedly written (or thought) by a 24-year old girl. It does not sound natural to me at all, it sounds like it is written by a romance book author. Whenever I read a book (and I read a lot of such books lately), supposedly well-written and all I am doing is thinking about the writing (and not admiringly) and not about the story or the characters, it's not a good sign.

That's one of the things I liked about 50 Shades (as I later realized) - it's written in a believable voice of a young girl.

But anyway, I hope there will be a separate thread about Bared to You later when enough people will have read it. I would be very interested especially in opinions of those who read both books.

So far some people write that it's a lot like 50 Shades but much more explicit yet other people are lamenting the fact that FS and not BtY will be made into a movie. I am confused with the level of heat.


I'm going to keep beating a dead horse about Bared to You, because it needs to be said; this is not a new phenomenon. Is anyone here a reader of paranorms? Has it not escaped notice that everyone is writing vampires, werewolves, and angels now? Of course there will be writers who are going to create series that are reminiscent of Fifty, its popularity demands it. Writing is a business, and if anything publishers are probably encouraging this because of what they perceive to be a demand for these kinds of novels. It will happen again...and again...and again. I would caution against belaboring the point and being overly protective of Fifty Shades, because at least one of these writers (perhaps a new author) will hit big and probably create some darn good material. All of that to say, maybe Bared to You didn't work for you, but don't use the "Fifty shades rip-off" stuff too much because when someone who does work for you gets published and is also clearly influenced by EL James, you will want them to be given a chance. Sylvia Day's book is no threat to James's series, if anything it has given it even more attention.

And again, obviously the new covers are taken from the simple sophisticated one James' publishing house chose. And guess what, thank goodness! I love those covers and generally hate the soft core porny ones that are so popular in the romance genre. I hope more people copy this trend until I never see another Fabio chest again. I want to stay big picture here and ask a question: do you think a series like this one can be successful without leaving an impression? I think the answer is no, and since I actually like James' writing I tend to think good writing always changes the game. I've seen the prefaces of no less than three different romance writers using the lingo of Fifty ('laters baby'and the like). In my opinion, James should be flattered if even established writers have decided to use her work to direct them to try something new themselves. As long as they are not claiming that they wrote a better Fifty shades, why should they be punished for the comments of people who dislike James and the series?
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:47 am    Post subject: Right on LikesBadBoys! Reply with quote

I liked Fifty Shades a lot and Bared to You not quite so much. Like you I am so not into those porny covers altho that is not why I read on an e-reader but actually, over time, I've developed quite a soft spot for ole Fabio (like the Flowers in the Storm cover).

Of course there will be take-offs from Fifty and I'm hoping it will be reflected in the books I want read. Give me more unfinished endings, more humour, more playfulness, more heroines who speak their minds, more everything. Including LESS labels. Fifty Shades wasn't BDSM but it was hawt.

The thing you said I need to remember -- enough with the protectiveness of Fifty Shades. The deeper authors get into their own voice, the better the books will be. A total rip-off won't sell: that's the only judge and jury.
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The thing you said I need to remember -- enough with the protectiveness of Fifty Shades. The deeper authors get into their own voice, the better the books will be. A total rip-off won't sell: that's the only judge and jury.


This is exactly it, janet. While the tendency is to focus on books like BTY, with its obvious connections to Fifty, what isn't being discussed are the not so obvious influences the books have had on other books. And also the trends James uses that were starting to take off before she published, most obviously the use of first person narration in romance and the growth of college-aged heroines in adult romance. I love these latter two trends and I want to see more romance written in first person (something I used to shy away from) and I also encourage what seems to be this new crop of writers with younger heroines that have seemingly adult sensibilties blended into their youthful naivete. YA authors are starting to write YA for adults, which I love.

And back to the influence of Fifty, we may not see dozens of BDSM themed books (and who would want to), but I think we are already seeing more of these somewhat repressed, alpha to the 12th degree heroes with control issues. EL James did not create this type, but the popularity of Christian certainly makes me think that it might have helped, say, a Kristen Ashley move in that direction for her Unfinished Heroes series. And I emphasize "helped," not necessarily inspired or instigated. It's a fact, a changing landscape for what is marketable changes what publishers will circulate. If we want to see more of the kinds of characters we liked in Fifty, we have to allow other authors to take a stab at it, and that often begins with books that seem too close to the original for comfort (for SOME, I don't think BTY is an exact replica, but that's just me). Look at all of the Twilight mania. For every dud of a copy of the original stories, there's a Vampire Diaries novel that people adore. There would be no series like Gossip Girls, for YA readers, had it not been for the success of Sex and the City. And so on and so on.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 12:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Right on LikesBadBoys! Reply with quote

janet w wrote:
I The thing you said I need to remember -- enough with the protectiveness of Fifty Shades. The deeper authors get into their own voice, the better the books will be. A total rip-off won't sell: that's the only judge and jury.


I think Fifty Shades stands on it's own without having to be protective of it, at least at this point we are far beyond that. Nor do I think Bared to You is any kind of threat, that would be silly. No book is a threat to another, IMHO, the world is big enough for many books for us to enjoy.

But I also think I can say that Bared to You doesn't even come close to Fifty Shades as far as characters, storyline, and just pure fun. This is the book that's often held up as a comparision so it's only going to be natural to comment. I'm thinking we also don't need to be so protective of Bared to You, I agree that it's a natural phenom for others to jump on the bandwagon but when they do they should be prepared for comparisions. Bared to You will be ok having readers love and readers not love it, just as Fifty Shades has been.

Oh and I agree that James should be flattered that other authors have been inspired by her work! Alpha males back in style again. woohoo and I couldn't be happier. Very Happy

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I don't have time for a response now but read with great interest everybody's views while eating soup Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Right on LikesBadBoys! Reply with quote

Linda in sw va wrote:






Oh and I agree that James should be flattered that other authors have been inspired by her work! Alpha males back in style again. woohoo and I couldn't be happier. Very Happy

Linda


I wonder how many romance authors would/will admit to being influeced by EL James? I would think they'd sooner walk through fire than admit to that. Still, I suspect that things will change in some way because of the success of this series.
On the other hand, I read somewhere that the author of Bared To You stated that she hadn't read Fifty Shades Of Grey. Imagine the coincidence of coming up with the exact story? Boggles the mind. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Favourable review + a funny Mrs. Giggles romp Reply with quote

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Of course Giggles couldn't be more wrong about the covers -- those covers were the SAME ones that E L James chose way back before she sold 10 million copies in 6 weeks (or as some writers, like Jodi Picoult, like to phrase it, before the end of western civilization ...). The publisher would have been an idiot to change them and they didn't. As for the cufflinks on Bared to You, maybe they were there to remind us the couple got undressed? Who knows but Day tweeted that the UK covers of Bared to You will NOT have a piece of gentleman's clothing on the cover. So what do you make of that?



What to make of that? Probably that she doesn't want it to look like a complete knock-off of FSoG. Whoops...too late for that...already does.
And the Jodi Picoult remark on Twitter was ridiculous. She tweeted that she was concerned for the state of America because of the popularity of FSoG. What about unemployment and the state of the economy? Who knew the USA could be brought to its knees by a little ole book. The power of the turn of a page. Remarkable! ugh.....
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 1:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Favourable review + a funny Mrs. Giggles romp Reply with quote

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And the Jodi Picoult remark on Twitter was ridiculous. She tweeted that she was concerned for the state of America because of the popularity of FSoG. .....


She said what?! LMAO!!!! Laughing

On the BTY covers, I liked the original better but they're both fine. It's what in between the covers that I felt was a letdown. I guess that's sorta pun intended, haha.

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