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Linda in sw va



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judyblueeyes wrote:
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Ok, Nora thinks Soren is the best priest ever, NOT me. And Soren, Nora, and Griff are engaging in this activity in the world of Fiction, just like we learned but didn't see in FSoG with Elena. I do think there is a difference in a book when it is mentioned and not show.


Well I don't think what Elena did in FSoG was right either and I'm very glad she was not at the center of the story as Soren is.

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But, my point of view isn't that in real life lets all go after kids, my point is in a story I can separate fiction from reality and I can read it without confusing and if Michael was younger I would of put the book away.


Ok but when you're posting about the age of consent in real life that does bring it into the discussion. The lines have been blurred here on each side and I'm not sure we could have an in depth discussion without it veering in that direction. In fact any book discussion is going to cross the lines during a discussion, especially about actions by the major players how they might please us, make us sigh, disturb us, etc. This one just brings out a very strong response and let's be honest, that's likely what the author was going for. She would have to be completely clueless if she didn't intend otherwise.

For the most part I have no problem accepting things in fiction that I would not in real life but the use of young teens sexually by adults that are much older just crosses a line for me. Add to that one of the adults is a priest. I can't read it and not be disturbed about it, when I read I immerse myself in the book and the story. These books are disturbing on so many levels, the writing is good but they still leave an icky feeling about the characters and their actions. For me Wes is the one character that redeems this story from being a complete moral bust. I hope the author leaves Wes alone in that regard.

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I don't get into reading or looking at child pornography. There is that book and movie, Lolita, right? it is all about a sick guy and a young girl. I don't watch Brooke Shields movies from back in the day because once I got to old enough to realize she was acting in child porn my stomach turned and she was nowhere near 15 in Pretty Baby.

so I don't need you to agree with me, but I do want you to understand what I am NOT saying and what I am saying. i am saying in Fiction 15 is a fence age for me, I don't have much problem with an author putting these elements into the story. I think the characters are damaged, some much more than others as it is being unfolded. So yes as an element of the story Tiffany Reisz is writing I think it is a part of showing these people for their damage or their perspective of what is "normal" to them.


Well she definitely succeeds at showing that they are damaged, there's no argument from me there. We can agree to disagree on the rest. Very Happy I wouldn't dream of suggesting you get into child pornography, really Judy, I have respect for you and have enjoyed our discussion even though we disagree. Smile

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In real life, I don't like seeing old men with 20 year old "women" either. I also regardless of where I live wouldn't of wanted my son or daughter under the influence of any guy/girl their age or older. As a teen I want them under my influence, but I put in work to make that happen that way.


Well while there is much I can enjoy reading about in fiction and because it's fiction I do have my limits. This series crosses the line. There are some things that are just plain disturbing to read about both in real life and fiction. I know that's different for every reader, I can only speak for myself.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not sure how the story is going to end, but if anything should give you faith maybe this will. If nothing the article is interesting back story on Tiffany Reisz.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tiffany-reisz/you-can-take-the-smutpedd_b_1900002.html

I don't think her studies guarentee anything, but I do think it is going to make the the ending place of the journey more interesting. And it also highlights that I am not as smart as I think I am because I was like what symbolism, *head shaking, like I can brake something lose that will give me a clue* Love C.S Lewis, but I had to have my daughter show me the symbolism of The Loin, The Witch and the Wardrobe.

I know what my mind will be thinking about all night, darn this book is under my skin.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought this might also stir the pot of disagreement. Smile

I love author's thoughts on their characters, and a bonus is Tiffany doesn't seem to feel her thoughts are more correct than a readers. I think that speaks volumes in regards to her character. She isn't owning them but has put her characters out there for readers to take from them or read into them what they will. Which is how we all read stories, it really is the cool thing about words, we each interpert them slightly different based on our experiences.
So here is what she wrote on a blog


Hi All!

Tiffany here. Don't tell my boyfriend I'm commenting on a thread that turned into an argument. He likes me to stay out of this stuff. Wink

I won't respond much expect to say that as the writer, at no point did I ever intend to create a villain/hero love triangle. Søren's no more the villain (in my mind at least) than Wesley or Nora is the villain. These are complicated people who, like real people, have good and bad all mixed in. There are no villains in SIREN, no villains in ANGEL, and we only get the barest hint of a villain in PRINCE. Now in MISTRESS, you finally get to meet a villain.

Until then all I ask is that we keep an open-mind about all the characters. You really can't judge them until you've read the whole series. I love them all. Although it bothers me that Wes wants to save Nora from a life she doesn't need saving from, I still understand that he does it because he thinks she would be healthier and happier in a world without pain. Although it bothers me that Søren must live a lie to be both a priest and Nora's lover, it would bother me more to think he gave into a nonsensical thousand year old edict of the Catholic Church that would force good priests like him to give up the collar just so they can have something as simple and human as a committed romantic relationship with someone.

I might be the author but my opinion is only one opinion and other opinions are just as valid (or invalid) as mine. But as I know the whole story of Nora's life from birth to age 36 and even beyond a little (not that I'll write it, but it's nice to know it), I can say you will do these characters a disservice by judging them before you read the last sentence of the last page of the last book.

Love in Christ,
Tiffany Reisz
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judyblueeyes wrote:
I am not sure how the story is going to end, but if anything should give you faith maybe this will. If nothing the article is interesting back story on Tiffany Reisz.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tiffany-reisz/you-can-take-the-smutpedd_b_1900002.html

I don't think her studies guarentee anything, but I do think it is going to make the the ending place of the journey more interesting. And it also highlights that I am not as smart as I think I am because I was like what symbolism, *head shaking, like I can brake something lose that will give me a clue* Love C.S Lewis, but I had to have my daughter show me the symbolism of The Loin, The Witch and the Wardrobe.

I know what my mind will be thinking about all night, darn this book is under my skin.


Interesting article. I've met the author in person a couple of times, and really enjoyed talking with her. She struck me as being smart, funny and very observant.

And this series has gotten under my skin, too! I wasn't sure what to expect when I started digging into the first one for review, but the writing turned out to be very meaty stuff. There's definitely a strong religious element running through the story, and her writing makes me think a lot more than most other erotic romances or erotica I've read.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judyblueeyes wrote:
I thought this might also stir the pot of disagreement. Smile

I love author's thoughts on their characters, and a bonus is Tiffany doesn't seem to feel her thoughts are more correct than a readers. I think that speaks volumes in regards to her character. She isn't owning them but has put her characters out there for readers to take from them or read into them what they will. Which is how we all read stories, it really is the cool thing about words, we each interpert them slightly different based on our experiences.
So here is what she wrote on a blog


Hi All!

Tiffany here. Don't tell my boyfriend I'm commenting on a thread that turned into an argument. He likes me to stay out of this stuff. Wink














































I won't respond much expect to say that as the writer, at no point did I ever intend to create a villain/hero love triangle. Søren's no more the villain (in my mind at least) than Wesley or Nora is the villain. These are complicated people who, like real people, have good and bad all mixed in. There are no villains in SIREN, no villains in ANGEL, and we only get the barest hint of a villain in PRINCE. Now in MISTRESS, you finally get to meet a villain.

Until then all I ask is that we keep an open-mind about all the characters. You really can't judge them until you've read the whole series. I love them all. Although it bothers me that Wes wants to save Nora from a life she doesn't need saving from, I still understand that he does it because he thinks she would be healthier and happier in a world without pain. Although it bothers me that Søren must live a lie to be both a priest and Nora's lover, it would bother me more to think he gave into a nonsensical thousand year old edict of the Catholic Church that would force good priests like him to give up the collar just so they can have something as simple and human as a committed romantic relationship with someone.

I might be the author but my opinion is only one opinion and other opinions are just as valid (or invalid) as mine. But as I know the whole story of Nora's life from birth to age 36 and even beyond a little (not that I'll write it, but it's nice to know it), I can say you will do these characters a disservice by judging them before you read the last sentence of the last page of the last book.

Love in Christ,
Tiffany Reisz


Can you please post a link to the blog post you quote from? Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judyblueeyes wrote:
I thought this might also stir the pot of disagreement. Smile

I love author's thoughts on their characters, and a bonus is Tiffany doesn't seem to feel her thoughts are more correct than a readers. I think that speaks volumes in regards to her character. She isn't owning them but has put her characters out there for readers to take from them or read into them what they will. Which is how we all read stories, it really is the cool thing about words, we each interpert them slightly different based on our experiences.
So here is what she wrote on a blog


Do you mean to say she's responding to the discussion here? Or elsewhere?

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Hi All!

Tiffany here. Don't tell my boyfriend I'm commenting on a thread that turned into an argument. He likes me to stay out of this stuff. Wink

I won't respond much expect to say that as the writer, at no point did I ever intend to create a villain/hero love triangle. Søren's no more the villain (in my mind at least) than Wesley or Nora is the villain. These are complicated people who, like real people, have good and bad all mixed in. There are no villains in SIREN, no villains in ANGEL, and we only get the barest hint of a villain in PRINCE. Now in MISTRESS, you finally get to meet a villain.

Until then all I ask is that we keep an open-mind about all the characters. You really can't judge them until you've read the whole series. I love them all. Although it bothers me that Wes wants to save Nora from a life she doesn't need saving from, I still understand that he does it because he thinks she would be healthier and happier in a world without pain.


That's interesting, I never looked at it as Wes wanting to 'save' Nora, to me it comes across that he loves her and feels she deserves better. I missed that aspect though it seems to be a theme. I do agree with Wes though that a relationship where your not being beaten, cut and ending up in the hospital with sprains, etc. is healthier but Nora seems so far gone into it now I don't know that she'd be happier.


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Although it bothers me that Søren must live a lie to be both a priest and Nora's lover, it would bother me more to think he gave into a nonsensical thousand year old edict of the Catholic Church that would force good priests like him to give up the collar just so they can have something as simple and human as a committed romantic relationship with someone.


Her statement here doesn't surprise me at all, I try not to confuse a character's actions with an author's personal beliefs but they way she allows her characters to justify and excuse their actions does lead me to believe that her own feelings are coming through. This idea that Soren is a 'good priest' or 'best priest ever' as Nora would say is repeated in her posted reply.

I don't personally agree that it's in anyone's best interest for priests to take vows of celibacy but Soren knew that going in and he took those vows. He is living a lie and should have the balls to face up to that and walk away from the priesthood. I want to say he should have the honor but maybe he's a character that has only selective honor when it suits his own agenda. Just because the rules are 'stupid' or useless doesn't mean it's ok to agree to them, do what you want and then lie about it. A religious leader has an even greater responsibility than most to conduct themselves with integrity and honesty. I won't go further with what he did with Michael but refer back to what I've already said, haha. For me as a reader Soren and good priest is an oxymoron.

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I might be the author but my opinion is only one opinion and other opinions are just as valid (or invalid) as mine. But as I know the whole story of Nora's life from birth to age 36 and even beyond a little (not that I'll write it, but it's nice to know it), I can say you will do these characters a disservice by judging them before you read the last sentence of the last page of the last book.

Love in Christ,
Tiffany Reisz


Fair enough but I'm feeling skeptical they can redeem themselves, I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised. More likely what I am expecting from the author is that the characters will be allowed to further justify that all they have done is perfectly fine and peachy, they haven't hurt anyone, no redemption necessary. Nothing at all wrong with using a young boy as a present sexually, move along, etc. See what a great priest Soren is? What a shame it would be to lose him because he can't keep it in his pants and simply must run a whole underground of sexual sadism and masochism. Rolling Eyes

Oops sorry got carried away! Razz

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaime wrote:


Can you please post a link to the blog post you quote from? Thanks.


http://www.goodreads.com/topic/list_group/72551-the-original-sinners-book-club

I wish I could remember which discussion thread, but I only remember it was one that had about 70 posts maybe 75 and it was towards the end last when Tiffany Reisz added that. It was a really interesting discussion regarding Wes, and cast. Sorry I didn't post the link this morning.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linda in sw va wrote:


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Although it bothers me that Søren must live a lie to be both a priest and Nora's lover, it would bother me more to think he gave into a nonsensical thousand year old edict of the Catholic Church that would force good priests like him to give up the collar just so they can have something as simple and human as a committed romantic relationship with someone.


Her statement here doesn't surprise me at all, I try not to confuse a character's actions with an author's personal beliefs but they way she allows her characters to justify and excuse their actions does lead me to believe that her own feelings are coming through. This idea that Soren is a 'good priest' or 'best priest ever' as Nora would say is repeated in her posted reply.

I don't personally agree that it's in anyone's best interest for priests to take vows of celibacy but Soren knew that going in and he took those vows. He is living a lie and should have the balls to face up to that and walk away from the priesthood. I want to say he should have the honor but maybe he's a character that has only selective honor when it suits his own agenda. Just because the rules are 'stupid' or useless doesn't mean it's ok to agree to them, do what you want and then lie about it. A religious leader has an even greater responsibility than most to conduct themselves with integrity and honesty. I won't go further with what he did with Michael but refer back to what I've already said, haha. For me as a reader Soren and good priest is an oxymoron.

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I might be the author but my opinion is only one opinion and other opinions are just as valid (or invalid) as mine. But as I know the whole story of Nora's life from birth to age 36 and even beyond a little (not that I'll write it, but it's nice to know it), I can say you will do these characters a disservice by judging them before you read the last sentence of the last page of the last book.

Love in Christ,
Tiffany Reisz


Fair enough but I'm feeling skeptical they can redeem themselves, I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised. More likely what I am expecting from the author is that the characters will be allowed to further justify that all they have done is perfectly fine and peachy, they haven't hurt anyone, no redemption necessary. Nothing at all wrong with using a young boy as a present sexually, move along, etc. See what a great priest Soren is? What a shame it would be to lose him because he can't keep it in his pants and simply must run a whole underground of sexual sadism and masochism. Rolling Eyes

Oops sorry got carried away! Razz

Linda


Linda I thought the link with the info about her chosen area of study until she choose not to study it any longer and how that came about is telling and has to effect what her characters are going to bring to the table and thought you would find it on point with maybe her characters take on faith.

I so agree with your take on Soren and selective Honor, and I don't find that to be too atypical, few people don't have areas were they bend the roles in an area they feel the "rules" wrong. I see this all the time in cop tv shows, and it makes me a little nuts sometimes. But in real life I also know it happens. So I think you got that one spot on and named it as Selective Honor, just a good term.

And not to bet the dead horse of Michael, but Soren only put him in the room he didn't tell Nora what to do with Michael, and Soren only promised Michael he would get to meet Nora, never what she actual did. So that is part of why I am still shaking my head and not sure who gets more of the blame on that score.

Somewhere in all the discussions on Goodreads-orginal sinners, Tiffany Reisz posted that we don't know everything about what happened the day she went back to Soren at the end of The Siren. I am wondering if she went to the hospital with self-inflected injuries to send Wes away. We know Soren is a Sadist, but he doesn't send her to the hospital in all the years they are together so it wouldn't surprise me to learn that Nora did what she did to bring about the situation with Wes.

I had something else I thought was interesting I read yesterday, but I don't remember it today. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LynnS/AAR wrote:



Interesting article. I've met the author in person a couple of times, and really enjoyed talking with her. She struck me as being smart, funny and very observant.

And this series has gotten under my skin, too! I wasn't sure what to expect when I started digging into the first one for review, but the writing turned out to be very meaty stuff. There's definitely a strong religious element running through the story, and her writing makes me think a lot more than most other erotic romances or erotica I've read.


Glad you enjoyed it!

I would love to have the chance to meet Tiffany Reisz in person or attend a reading or book signing, and came close last month if my husbands business and just taken him to southern Ohio a few days later in the week. But fate didn't want me cross over to fan girl statis.

The biggest complement I can give her writing is that it has made me spend countless hours thinking about my views, morals, desires, relationships and think about the things I do just for the pleasure they give others.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FOUND it it was goodreads under whips and giggles> the 8th circle lets talk Sh*t about Soren

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/937961-the-8th-circle--let-s-talk-sh-t-about-s-ren?format=html&page=2

had a palm to head moment and thought to look at MY HISTORY, so slow sometimes.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judyblueeyes wrote:
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Linda I thought the link with the info about her chosen area of study until she choose not to study it any longer and how that came about is telling and has to effect what her characters are going to bring to the table and thought you would find it on point with maybe her characters take on faith.


Honestly Judy I didn't comment on that link because I felt like I didn't have anythinng nice to say, I've been enough of a downer already I know. Sad You should be able to have your fun with this book without me raining on the parade so much, I feel a little bit guilty about it. The way she came across in that link rubbed me the wrong way so it may be just a personality conflict between me and the author and some of her characters.

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I so agree with your take on Soren and selective Honor, and I don't find that to be too atypical, few people don't have areas were they bend the roles in an area they feel the "rules" wrong. I see this all the time in cop tv shows, and it makes me a little nuts sometimes. But in real life I also know it happens. So I think you got that one spot on and named it as Selective Honor, just a good term.


It's true that many of us, in fact most of us bend the rules from time to time. I just felt like this was so extreme it goes beyond bending, I do hold religious leaders to a higher standard I suppose but of anyone I would hope they would have the highest sense of integrity. Now I know that's often not reality but there it is.

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And not to bet the dead horse of Michael, but Soren only put him in the room he didn't tell Nora what to do with Michael, and Soren only promised Michael he would get to meet Nora, never what she actual did. So that is part of why I am still shaking my head and not sure who gets more of the blame on that score.


But he did say it was also a lesson for Nora to ask about age, I think he knew good and well what she would do, he seems to know her pretty well. He could have set up a meeting anywhere and with himself present but he had Michael go into the room by himself, told Nora that her anniversary present was in there and they were at an undergrand S&M club. For me they are nearly equally responsible except Nora gets a small pass because she didn't know his age. If only she seemed more concerned over it when she did find out though rather than brushing it off. *shrug* I'm not sure there's much there that could be explained but i'm willing to hold out to see.

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Somewhere in all the discussions on Goodreads-orginal sinners, Tiffany Reisz posted that we don't know everything about what happened the day she went back to Soren at the end of The Siren. I am wondering if she went to the hospital with self-inflected injuries to send Wes away. We know Soren is a Sadist, but he doesn't send her to the hospital in all the years they are together so it wouldn't surprise me to learn that Nora did what she did to bring about the situation with Wes.


Possibly, or possibly she asked him too. It's all so strange.

Judy, I should get you in touch with a poster on another board I frequent (not a books board, but they have a books section), she loved the books so much she was tryign to get her boyfriend to dress up as Soren so she could be Nora for Halloween, lol.

Linda
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Judy, for finding the link.

Tiffany Reisz is a very smart and charming woman and a talented writer.

Smile It's obvious from all the interviews I have read now that she - and many of the fans of her books - think Soren is a great guy.

I think he is a great manipulator. I am not a Catholic and Soren being a priest and a practicing sadist bothers me only because he uses and abuses a position of power, not because of the celibacy rule. I agree with Reisz that the Catholic church ought to have gotten rid of the celibacy rule for their clergy long ago.
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I'm curious if this author practices this lifestyle. It astounds me that she would ask readers to withhold judgement. I would be more understanding of that if underage characters weren't involved.

A bit ot. I wish flawed heroes like Soren would appear with frequency in Presents instead those heroes have been toned down considerably.
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Linda in sw va wrote:


Honestly Judy I didn't comment on that link because I felt like I didn't have anythinng nice to say, I've been enough of a downer already I know. Sad You should be able to have your fun with this book without me raining on the parade so much, I feel a little bit guilty about it. The way she came across in that link rubbed me the wrong way so it may be just a personality conflict between me and the author and some of her characters.


Smile That is so sweet, you shouldn't feel guilty and I assure you part of my fun is that you don't see it the same as me, and it makes me really think about what I feel about the different situations and why I feel that way etc etc. I could go to lots of place, including your friend apparently, to find the group orgasm for her writing, if that was all I wanted. I like hearing your take and thinking about it just like I like the plot and characters making me think. I hope that makes sense. And the funny thing is one of the biggest things you said one day was that you didn't want to read books that made you "think too much" or something like that. It hit me so hard because I had started reading romances a year ago because I felt beat up and emotionally didn't have anything to spare for reading anything that made me "think". So when you wrote that I realized I had was on the mend and feeling emotions whether in lit or real life was coming back. My glass had drained so I wasn't in overflow mode all the time. So to speak.

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I so agree with your take on Soren and selective Honor, and I don't find that to be too atypical, few people don't have areas were they bend the roles in an area they feel the "rules" wrong. I see this all the time in cop tv shows, and it makes me a little nuts sometimes. But in real life I also know it happens. So I think you got that one spot on and named it as Selective Honor, just a good term.


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It's true that many of us, in fact most of us bend the rules from time to time. I just felt like this was so extreme it goes beyond bending, I do hold religious leaders to a higher standard I suppose but of anyone I would hope they would have the highest sense of integrity. Now I know that's often not reality but there it is.


I get this and respect your view point, but I can't help myself when I see something almost yelling look!!! does this change anything? or What do you think of this???? I am just like that, always adding data to the mix.

I think because from an early age I grew up knowing that I was Church of England because a King couldn't buy his second divorse along with a Midevil Studies Class in College learning about all the buy of this and that, with regards to the Roman Catholic Church I don't place them on any kind of moral high ground, just the same ground we all stand on along with Politicians, Police, Teachers, all human all selective, regardless of station, almost all I believe bend, it is just how they bend. As for Soren, I see his selective faith, and I kind of think the author Tiffany Reisz must have been told she had selective faith as well and left the seminary (making the correct choice)the character of Soren either never planned to brake his vows or never intended to kept them, just not sure yet. And I can't wait to find out because I am sure it will be just another point I look at from all the different sides.

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And not to bet the dead horse of Michael, but Soren only put him in the room he didn't tell Nora what to do with Michael, and Soren only promised Michael he would get to meet Nora, never what she actual did. So that is part of why I am still shaking my head and not sure who gets more of the blame on that score.



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Judy, I should get you in touch with a poster on another board I frequent (not a books board, but they have a books section), she loved the books so much she was tryign to get her boyfriend to dress up as Soren so she could be Nora for Halloween, lol.

Linda


That is too funny. My husband would be like Soren Who? and Why? Then I would have to tell him and that could give him ideas that I wouldn't want to live up too. Laughing (right before I start) Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad (trying to remember a safe word)

OMG tell your friend I say YES YES but then Soren and Nora have to really take it to all the Ana and Christians they come across. The real kinksters and the vanilla kinksters who will Top.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

erika wrote:
I'm curious if this author practices this lifestyle. It astounds me that she would ask readers to withhold judgement. I would be more understanding of that if underage characters weren't involved.

A bit ot. I wish flawed heroes like Soren would appear with frequency in Presents instead those heroes have been toned down considerably.


I don't know if she currently does. Her boyfriend is the author of Fifty Shades of Earl Grey. But she does answer question on Goodreads discussions and often refers to her experiences. Apparently Soren is based on her Dom (although i am pretty sure she said not a priest, but didn't say not a Minister !?! now I think about that)
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