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| Linda in sw va wrote: | Here is a vodka ad E L James is standing in front of, too funny!!!
She has to be beside herself with the attention these books are getting!
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OMG...I love it. Good for her.
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Linda in sw va wrote: | | mirole wrote: | | I Xina: I also feel very weird about this book being a knock-off of FS (although I haven't read it yet). I guarantee you she wrote this after reading FS, it's not a coincidence. Nobody at DA though is in a rush to do comparative analysis of the two books. |
What you mean this one isn't getting the special software treatment? 
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LOL!
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| mirole wrote: | I agree about Maya Banks, I read Be With Me - not erotic at all to me plus I could not keep the three heroes straight, they were one and the same for me.
I second Diana's recommendation of Cara McKenna's Willing Victim.
Xina and Linda: if you haven't read it yet, you should. It's fantastic. Although it's a novella and a lot of people are complaining it was half-baked and not romancy enough b/c of it's length, for me it was totally satisfying as a romance.
DA Jane read FSoG, the whole of it and reviewed it on Dear Author but gave it an F (B- for Bared to You). I had a sense that she became prejudiced against FSoG b/c of its fanfic origin and the author's alleged unethical behaviour at publishing a previously free fanfic work.
Basically, she said the writing was terrible, the heroine TSTL and annoying as hell, inner goddess was even more annoying than Ana, sex scenes were not sexy at all, everything was amateurish and the whole book was an X-rated version of Harlequin Presents.
In her review of Bared to You, everything was the opposite: the heroine is mature and strong, the writing is brilliant, the sex scenes are scorching hot and she's looking forward to read the rest of the trilogy.
Xina: I also feel very weird about this book being a knock-off of FS (although I haven't read it yet). I guarantee you she wrote this after reading FS, it's not a coincidence. Nobody at DA though is in a rush to do comparative analysis of the two books. |
I wasn't aware that Jane had reviewed either book because I only read the midday industry news links. I don't go there for reviews. Anyhow not surprised that we differ on the Sylvia Day book. I bought it because Amazon rec'd it when I turned on my Kindle Fire and one-click buy is very bad for my inner impulse buyer. I wish I had read more reviews first though because I felt kind of dorky when I realized I'd bought a knockoff of a knockoff.
I just don't get the unethical behavior mantra. James wrote it, she owns it, and she's got every right in the world to sell what's hers. Why is she expected to give away work that is in such high demand? I dunno, I don't think it's unethical to expect payment for one's work. Or is that a particular woman shaming phenom? Sylvia Day should get paid because she was already known as an "author" when James wasn't? I think those who are judging one party as unethical and giving the other high praise are splitting some mighty fine hairs. And I don't see the distinction.
Forgive me if I'm bringing up points that have already been discussed on the previous threads.
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janet w
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 5:32 am Post subject: Gateway to Heaven as possible follow-up |
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http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/323651083 Here's my quickie review. It's free (for now) on kindle -- free is pretty good I'd say. Hero's name is Christian but it was written in 2008 so it's not a knock-off.
The "same": some stalker behaviour but way way less than 50Christian. Wealty. Similar family for Christian the rock-star. He was a character, very likable, in transistion, wanting to shift to a new way of expressing himself artistically.
It's Megan the heroine, virginal like Ana, that has some long-ago trauma that is adressed here. Quite believably I thought. Heat level is nowhere as steamy as 50Shades -- this is not erotica in my opinion but it is steamy ... but that builds up slowly.
What's missing ... and this is really starting to bug me as I search for some good "next" books after Fifty Shades: humour. Is it impossible to find heat and humour in the same book? Seems so to me. |
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Linda in sw va
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| Diana wrote: | | [ I dunno, I don't think it's unethical to expect payment for one's work. Or is that a particular woman shaming phenom? |
I was thinking the same thing but didn't say it out loud, I doubt a man would have been raked over the coals for it. I get the impression a lot of motivation for the resentment of EL James comes from jealousy, those that think it should have been them that made it big, or their BFF that's an author and so much better than James, blah blah.
It's not the first time Twilight fan fiction dropped from being free to being published. A friend had recommended a couple books to me that I was hunting the fan fiction community for and couldn't find, they'd been removed. Turns out they had also been published with the character's names changed. It was originally a BDSM themed story that featured Jasper, Edward and Bella. The author was good and managed to get it published under the name J.P. Barnaby and the books are The Forbidden Room and A House of Cards.
So Fifty Shades is not the first Twilight fan fiction to make the leap into print, I don't know if the lynch mob went after the author I mentioned above in the same way, if they did I never heard about it. Maybe it got a pass because it didn't become as popular in the mainstream.
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| Linda in sw va wrote: | | Diana wrote: | | [ I dunno, I don't think it's unethical to expect payment for one's work. Or is that a particular woman shaming phenom? |
I was thinking the same thing but didn't say it out loud, I doubt a man would have been raked over the coals for it. I get the impression a lot of motivation for the resentment of EL James comes from jealousy, those that think it should have been them that made it big, or their BFF that's an author and so much better than
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Absolutely it is jealousy. Authors who wish they'd written it and media pundit bloggers who are mad that millions have loved the books despite their negative reviews. How dare an upstart not-even-a-real-author outside our in crowd be this successful!
Alison Kent is one of the most charming and real authors on twitter. Recently she tweeted (paraphrasing)) I'm just going to say it. I wish I'd written 50 Shades of Grey. There! How very refreshing and adult. Jealousy makes you human, not evil.
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I can understand jealousy among romance authors. For years they have fought for respect of their work and along comes an unknown and blows a big fat hole in what most authors have just tapped. Aside from Nora Roberts and a handful of the big authors, most don't get much recognition in the book world. As for the/certain bloggers, I really don't have any sympathy for them, in fact I sort of love the fact that they had zero power in toppling E.L James.
Janet W. just pointed me to the Carly Phillips blog where she talks about Fifty Shades, and how initially she had the jealousy bug. She then went on to read the 3 books and loved them. Good for her for trying the books and forming an opinion instead of scoffing about them without any knowledge of the content.
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My progress with Bared To You....
I am finding this book reading much like any other romance where the heroine is constantly on edge with the hero. Comparing Gideon to Christian...Gideon is sort of a creep where Christian was forceful, but had a very vulnerable side for Ana from the start. Not so much with Gideon. Typical bickering back and forth. I also find it difficult to read this book with an open mind. To me it reads like *trying to hard* to out do Fifty Shades. At this point it is coming off as ridiculous. I'll keep going and won't comment again on this book, until I've finished.
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| xina wrote: | My progress with Bared To You....
I am finding this book reading much like any other romance where the heroine is constantly on edge with the hero. Comparing Gideon to Christian...Gideon is sort of a creep where Christian was forceful, but had a very vulnerable side for Ana from the start. Not so much with Gideon. Typical bickering back and forth. I also find it difficult to read this book with an open mind. To me it reads like *trying to hard* to out do Fifty Shades. At this point it is coming off as ridiculous. I'll keep going and won't comment again on this book, until I've finished. |
Xina, I think they are less alike as the book goes on but you can let me know when you're through. Since I have gotten a bit over halfway you'll know more about it than I do, lol.
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| Linda in sw va wrote: | | xina wrote: | My progress with Bared To You....
I am finding this book reading much like any other romance where the heroine is constantly on edge with the hero. Comparing Gideon to Christian...Gideon is sort of a creep where Christian was forceful, but had a very vulnerable side for Ana from the start. Not so much with Gideon. Typical bickering back and forth. I also find it difficult to read this book with an open mind. To me it reads like *trying to hard* to out do Fifty Shades. At this point it is coming off as ridiculous. I'll keep going and won't comment again on this book, until I've finished. |
Xina, I think they are less alike as the book goes on but you can let me know when you're through. Since I have gotten a bit over halfway you'll know more about it than I do, lol.
I will let you know Linda. I'm finding it a chore to get through. And I don't know if it is because it seems a cheap knock off or that it isn't that well written. At any rate, I wish I could write an e-mail review...LOL...but I don't think I am that creative.  Forging on.....
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| xina wrote: | I will let you know Linda. I'm finding it a chore to get through. And I don't know if it is because it seems a cheap knock off or that it isn't that well written. At any rate, I wish I could write an e-mail review...LOL...but I don't think I am that creative. Forging on.....
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Haha, good luck Xina! At what point are you now?
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More talk of casting for Fifty Shades, the talk of Robert Pattinson is alarming! Let's hope not. Ian is mentioned..
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1684533/fifty-shades-of-grade-casting.jhtml
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| xina wrote: | I can understand jealousy among romance authors. For years they have fought for respect of their work and along comes an unknown and blows a big fat hole in what most authors n, just tapped. Aside from Nora Roberts and a handful of the big authors, most don't get much recognition in the book world. As for the/certain bloggers, I really don't have any sympathy for them, in fact I sort of love the fact that they had zero power in toppling E.L James.
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Wowzers, do you even have a clue how unbelievably catty you are? Your total lack of insight continues to astound and amaze me me. |
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xina
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| Linda in sw va wrote: | | xina wrote: | I will let you know Linda. I'm finding it a chore to get through. And I don't know if it is because it seems a cheap knock off or that it isn't that well written. At any rate, I wish I could write an e-mail review...LOL...but I don't think I am that creative. Forging on.....
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Haha, good luck Xina! At what point are you now?
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Almost halfway. I am reading another book too, and keep going back to it, but I'm going to try to get in some reading time later today.
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Oh, I agree. Very alarming. Not Pattinson...no, no.
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