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Linda in sw va



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: fifty shade Reply with quote

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[I can see this. I love him in True Blood, and he does have that ruthless edge to him. But, once again...I feel he is too old, if they are going to stick to how Christian is described time and time again by Ana. I wouldn't be mad though is AS was Fifty. I could deal with it. Easily. Smile


Yeah we guess could suffer through Alexander Skarsgard as Christian, if we had two...oh the torture. Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:22 am    Post subject: Re: fifty shade Reply with quote

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Yeah we guess could suffer through Alexander Skarsgard as Christian, if we had two...oh the torture. Wink

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Yes...what a chore. I guess I'd just suffer through it. Ah well...the things I do for romance novel reading. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just now, I saw a suggestion for Dakota Fanning as Ana. Yikes!!! Please no, no, no! It that's the case, let's just sign up Danielle Radcliffe as Christian. What a pair they would make! hee
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Just now, I saw a suggestion for Dakota Fanning as Ana. Yikes!!! Please no, no, no! It that's the case, let's just sign up Danielle Radcliffe as Christian. What a pair they would make! hee


Saw that Xina, that would be awful! I still think of her as a child. She plays the part of a child vampire Jane in the Twilight movies and IMHO does not pull it off, not even a little scary.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:02 pm    Post subject: fifty shade Reply with quote

Here's another article from The Awful Truth.
BTW......I'm about half done the first book......very interesting Very Happy

http://ca.eonline.com/news/the_awful_truth/why_does_filthy_fifty_shades_of_grey/307082
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: fifty shade Reply with quote

kris wrote:
Here's another article from The Awful Truth.
BTW......I'm about half done the first book......very interesting Very Happy

http://ca.eonline.com/news/the_awful_truth/why_does_filthy_fifty_shades_of_grey/307082


Kris, thanks for that link, and I hope you'll enjoy the book.

OMG, why they all are so over-emphasizing the erotic aspect, even calling it porn?!!!!! They have no idea of the romance genre at all, don't they...

What would they say about a Maya Banks book (e.g. Be With Me - I am sorry, but I was too busy trying to keep track who's who in that foursome to enjoy the book).
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: fifty shade Reply with quote

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Kris, thanks for that link, and I hope you'll enjoy the book.

OMG, why they all are so over-emphasizing the erotic aspect, even calling it porn?!!!!! They have no idea of the romance genre at all, don't they...

What would they say about a Maya Banks book (e.g. Be With Me - I am sorry, but I was too busy trying to keep track who's who in that foursome to enjoy the book).



So many of the articles written on Fifty Shades concentrates on the erotic aspect. And why shouldn't it? It is erotic with many sex scenes, but I think a huge amount of these readers, don't read romance novels. Nothing in this book shocked me, because I've read it all before. I had lunch with a friend last week who doesn't read romance, but reads a lot of books, and she was impressed with the sex...of course, but she also loved the relationship and thought the book was well written. I thought that was interesting as she probably represents that group that doesn't read romance, but still loved this series of books.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:11 pm    Post subject: What's next Reply with quote

Does anyone know what EL James is working on next?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this on The Windsor Star. It is a good point as to why so many picked up this book where the new or non romance novel reader is not attracted to so many books in the romance genre.

"And unlike most works of erotica, it has a non-sexual cover: no hot, half-naked man and woman, which attracts some readers but puts others off"

Eric Selinger (sort of well-known around the online romance novel reading community.)

Many authors wonder...why not my book, it is better written anyway. It's the covers initially. So many don't want the covers. Even digitally. Fifty has a very subdued cover...very simple and it doesn't scream sex.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finally tracked down a copy of this. I had a friend who had Master of the Universe, and she sent it to me so I could read this book. (Still not willing to pay $10 for an ebook, although I might after I read it if it's good.) I'm not very far into it, and I think it's alright so far. I do notice that it is freaking long. I remember seeing the chapter 4 heading and looking down and my kindle and it still said 1%. I'll post my reactions when I finish it, but I like it well enough so far.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently the copy of MOTU that I have is both the first and second Fifty books. Thank goodness, I thought it was twice as long as it was. I'm taking a break before I go onto read Fifty Shades Darker.

I was curious about reading this book after seeing how polarized reactions to the book were. I have to admit to feeling negative about this book with out reading it, but that was because I don't like the way the media is covering it. I really wanted to be happy about a romance getting a lot of attention making so much money, but the coverage seems to be focused on how amazing it is that women like books with erotic content. It drags the conversation away from how great the genre is to snickering about housewives and their “mommy porn” which grated on my nerves. I'm glad that I got to read it, and I tried to separate those negative feelings about the media coverage from the book. I think for the most part I was successful. Anyways onto what I thought of the book.

I know you ladies mentioned that you didn't see the similarities to Twilight, but I actually really did. I noticed resemblances in the development of characters and their backgrounds. I'm thinking maybe a lot of what I noticed was edited out of the later editions or I was just more sensitive to it because I knew going in that it was twilight fan fiction. The plots of the two books were very different from one another so I guess seeing the similarities didn't hamper my reading experience. I can see how readers would think it was questionable for the author to use Stephanie Meyer's work in this manner, but I don't see how anyone is getting hurt from this being published so I'm really not that outraged.

I've noticed in reviews that people say the writing is bad. I didn't think it was. It had flaws, but it wasn't horrible. There were lots of things that were repetitive, but a good edit could have helped with that. The best example of the repetitiveness was the constant references of a somewhat odd struggle Ana had with her “inner goddess” and subconscious. Put me down in the camp that did not care for that. I also noticed a ton of ellipses, but that's just a matter of personal taste. Ellipses do not offend me, perhaps because I'm guilty of their overuse as well. The author did a good job of portraying the emotions of the characters, and plot had a lot of built in tension which makes the reading fast. For me the bottom line was she told the story, not perfectly, but it was still a pretty good job in my book.

As for the story itself, there were things I liked and others I didn't. For some reason it's easier for me to articulate the things I didn't like so I have more, but for the most part they were minor annoyances. I had a hard time suspending my disbelief about the 21 year old virgin heroine that has never masturbated or had a romantic relationship despite being very attractive and who has lots of interested would be male suitors. I understand why authors use this set up, but I'm so busy scoffing at it's believability that it fails to do what it is intended to which is to make the relationship between the hero and heroine feel special and sparkly and new. I don't think James should be raked over the coals for using it though because this cliche runs rampant in the romance community. Another thing that I found distracting and made me roll my eyes was that Ana was a consummate pro at fellatio first try. Yeah, that happens in real life. I also didn't like all flaunting of Christian's wealth. It felt sort of like look at all this crazy stuff money can buy. I'm not sure I buy that there are gynecologists out there willing to make house calls. Also massages in the first class lounge at the airport?! There is no way I believe that really happens. I've seen first class, the seats are a little bigger but that it.

One of the things I liked about this book was Ana's responses to Christian being overbearing. I think she handled him in a really charming way, and I liked that she challenged him by pushing back. I also liked the email exchanges. I felt like they brought out a playfulness between the hero and heroine. They were very honest so they worked to develop the leads relationship, and I think they cut some of the tension of all the sexing and angsting happening during the face to face encounters. I enjoyed the BDSM elements of the book. I know some people had concerns about how the lifestyle is portrayed in the book, but I think people's sexuality is their own thing and there isn't one correct way to do BDSM.

I didn't think the book was amazing, but it also wasn't terrible. I think it's a decent book, but it didn't invoke a strong reaction out of me either way. If I had to rate it I'd say C+.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xina wrote:
I found this on The Windsor Star. It is a good point as to why so many picked up this book where the new or non romance novel reader is not attracted to so many books in the romance genre.

"And unlike most works of erotica, it has a non-sexual cover: no hot, half-naked man and woman, which attracts some readers but puts others off"

Eric Selinger (sort of well-known around the online romance novel reading community.)

Many authors wonder...why not my book, it is better written anyway. It's the covers initially. So many don't want the covers. Even digitally. Fifty has a very subdued cover...very simple and it doesn't scream sex.


Interesting Xina! I also read somewhere that the fact that this book was available digitally encouraged women to read it that might otherwise be embarrassed to be 'caught' reading an erotic book. Though the cover is a good neutral, fits the story without screaming sex.

Since everything I tried to read after this trilogy fell flat I have tried some Twilight fan fiction and it's good! Right now I'm almost done reading one called Last Rites and it was hard to make myself go to bed last night and put it down. Though I am kind of dreading the end because the author didn't finish the story. I've got a few more up for reading in a folder next, thank you Estelle for encouraging me in that direction!

I haven't watched Glee in years but as I was flipping through the channels last night it was on and Matt Bomer was a guest star! I was trying to imagine him as Christian, he's certaionly got the face, though I wouldn't say the character he played on last night's Glee was much Christian like, haha. He seems like a fine actor and I'd keep an open mind to him in the part. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linda in sw va wrote:




I haven't watched Glee in years but as I was flipping through the channels last night it was on and Matt Bomer was a guest star! I was trying to imagine him as Christian, he's certaionly got the face, though I wouldn't say the character he played on last night's Glee was much Christian like, haha. He seems like a fine actor and I'd keep an open mind to him in the part. Smile

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That's funny, because I was watching Ellen yesterday and Jane Lynch was a guest. They showed a clip from last night's show and Matt Bomer was in it. And I was trying to picture him as Christian too. Smile And I can see it.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fifty Shades of Yay!

E. L. James tweeted a link to this review, apparently it does not bother her if people (men in particular) want to call it mommy porn. So here is another 'man's review of this book, in contrast to the vulgar one posted earlier.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/jim-moret/fifty-shades-of-yay-one-m_b_1418226.html?ref=tw

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linda in sw va wrote:
Fifty Shades of Yay!

E. L. James tweeted a link to this review, apparently it does not bother her if people (men in particular) want to call it mommy porn. So here is another 'man's review of this book, in contrast to the vulgar one posted earlier.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/jim-moret/fifty-shades-of-yay-one-m_b_1418226.html?ref=tw

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What a great review! And he makes some valid points. Maybe it was written by that guy I saw in Barnes and Noble the other day. Smile
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