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mirole



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's very interesting to ready everybody's opinions. I agree with many of you, too many to quote.

I agree with those who say that they prefer to know little about an author, that it would be something really bad to prevent me from reading a book. I cannot think of anything but direct plagiarism is one of such things. When I read about Cassie Edwards I knew I would never try her books. But in general (other than in cases of plagiarism), my curiosity and desire to read an interesting new book would outweigh my principles.

I also agree with those who say that none of us is perfect and we should not hold authors to higher standards than ourselves so everybody draws a line for herself at what to tolerate and what not.

Library Addict: thank you for posting all the links in your post, I started reading them and will finish later tonight. I am very interested in all these controversies.

Xina, thank you for posting the link about the bidding war for FSoG movie rights on the other thread. I am happy for the author, it's like a Cinderella story. (Now I have to keep my eyes and ears closed lest I hear something disgusting about her haha).
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChrisReader wrote:
I've heard a number of people express the opinion they have not and will not read Anne Perry's books because she is known to be a convicted murderer as a teen. Their feeling being they don't want their money going to support someone who has murdered and now writes about murder mysteries. (She did however, serve a number of years in a facility for her part in the murder and has repented and partially blamed the medications she was on for what she believes was her altered mental state.) I guess it comes down to whether you believe rehabilitation is possible and how long a sentence is appropriate for an act committed when underage. Also- does decades of lawful living in any way prove a person "deserves" a second chance.

I had bought and read a couple of her books before the news came out about her earlier life and went back to reread them after knowing about the murder and definitely looked at them differently. I guess I generally look for the author's point of view in the protagonist's and the second time around I was looking for it in the murderer's.


I was going to say nothing bothers me and, likely, I wouldn't have heard of it at all, so no harm, no foul. I'm a relative newcomer to the online romance reading community because, though I've been online since the mid-90s, I'm a solitary reader and it didn't occur to me to seek out other readers.

But then I was reading along when I thought of Anne Perry, whom my mother reads, and then it was brought up here.

If Anne Perry wrote romance or kids' books or scifi/fantasy, I'd read her. But she doesn't. She writes murder mysteries. So it's a combination of what she did plus the fact that it's possible she's making money off this. Write what you know, right?

Anyhoo, this has never bothered my mother, who is a die-hard mystery reader. So it was a surprise to me when, just this past Sunday, I was expressing this to her and she said, "She's getting darker and I'm about to stop reading her. I keep wondering if she was truly rehabilitated."

I'm still on the fence about Roman Polanski.

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There was an author that used to post here and every single time someone would post that they were asking for a certain plot scenario she would chime in and suggest one of her books. Amazing how she seemed to have anything at all someone was looking for. This was such a turn off to me that I never could pick up one of her books.


About that. (It may have been me; I don't know. I've done it a couple of times here and there around romancelandia, but decided a while back it wasn't worth the stress.)

I can only speak for myself, but you cannot imagine how frustrating it is to see someone asking for something you wrote, knowing that a) the reader doesn't know you exist unless someone tells her, b) she hasn't and won't read every back thread on the message board to find earlier recommendations and postings, c) that you can't post to make yourself or your works known or else you will be seen in a bad light, and d) that the reader will still not be able to find what she's looking for. Unless someone else in a relatively small world such as a message board (as compared to the rest of the world's readership who are not occupying that particular space) has read one's work and likes it, actually sees the post requesting recommendations, and is willing to speak up, that reader will never know that what she wants is available the way she wants it.

If I ask for something specific, I don't care who gives me the answer, so I assume that the asker-of-something-specific really wants to know. The only time I'm bothered by it is if the author-answerer flat-out lies about what they've written.

I see it as a customer service issue: Give the customer what she wants when she wants it how she wants it and at a reasonable price. Except...you can't, leaving both customer and vendor frustrated. But clearly, I am unanimous in that opinion. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more thing: I do think that artists of any stripe are at least a little unbalanced and that is part of what makes their work something we want to read/look at/watch/listen to. I can tell when an artist is phoning it in or sees it as a job; their work is totally soulless.

There is a long tradition of Teh Crazy in literature and elsewhere, a long tradition of Authors Behaving Badly. To me, it's part and parcel of living in one's head a good portion of the time.

Being forced into the role of marketer is, in my opinion, not good for the author or the work and it blurs those barriers between author and reader that should remain in place. Most writers aren't marketers. They just want to go in their hole and write. Most of us would prefer not even to offer a bio.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moriah Jovan wrote:
[About that. (It may have been me; I don't know. I've done it a couple of times here and there around romancelandia, but decided a while back it wasn't worth the stress.)

I can only speak for myself, but you cannot imagine how frustrating it is to see someone asking for something you wrote, knowing that a) the reader doesn't know you exist unless someone tells her, b) she hasn't and won't read every back thread on the message board to find earlier recommendations and postings, c) that you can't post to make yourself or your works known or else you will be seen in a bad light, and d) that the reader will still not be able to find what she's looking for.l:


No, it was not you!! I totally get that but she did it so much here that I got the impression she was not part of this group because she wanted to discuss books with any of us, she was here just to push her own books. And geez every single scenario someone wanted to see by golly she had it. Just kinda annoying, heh.

Ok, I have an absolute favorite author, I LOVE her books so much! I follow her on Twitter and Facebook to keep up with what she's got going on. She had this pet name for her readers, I will not name it because I don't want to call her out in a negative way, but it drives me bananas. She refers to her readers as...'my *******', to me it sounds juvenile and condescending, I am not HER anything, I just happen to love her books. I think I am going to have to stop following her in these venues because it's so annoying.

Not book related but related to my post above. One of my favorite handbag designers is Rebecca Minkoff. I love her bags and have several but she refers to those of us that follow her on Twitter, Facebook, wherever as her 'Minkettes'. Gah!

I guess some think it's cute, personally to me it's a turn-off. Authors/Designers whatever, I am not your anything, please no silly pet names. Those are reserved for my hubby only, haha

Linda
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linda in sw va wrote:
I got the impression she was not part of this group because she wanted to discuss books with any of us


Ah, well, I understand.

Which reminds me... I wanted to clarify that I lurked here so much before I signed up to post that I DO feel like I've gotten to know you all. I forget you all don't know me from Eve. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have recently stopped reading an author because I find her posting here constantly about her books extremely annoying. This author was one of my all time favorites and I would wait patiently for each new book.

I really don't want to know any personal information about an author. I want her books to speak to me.

Not all books are going to appeal to everyone and a writer should be mature enough to understand that concept.

Here in Georgia we have a saying "If you can't run with the big dogs stay under the porch."
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moriah Jovan wrote:


Ah, well, I understand.

Which reminds me... I wanted to clarify that I lurked here so much before I signed up to post that I DO feel like I've gotten to know you all. I forget you all don't know me from Eve. Smile




I know you *waving*, and you are fantastic. Happy to see you posting here!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a big difference between unethical and garden variety obnoxious or just plain annoying. I tend to give authors a lot of latitude because after all they're people too (and maybe a little emotional with the creative juices,too).

The only thing that's struck me as unethical lately is that big ole honkin' failure to disclose by an influential blogger. It still bothers me and the blogger still sells her book and feeds soundbites to national media without revealing a paid professional relationship with her author clients.

And honestly with all the back and forth going on online now, is it really fair to expect authors to behave better than bloggers and those of us who tweet and post on message boards? We certainly don't hold back. The pendulum is swinging back the other way as far as I'm concerned. I know I know I know that authors are selling a commodity and that we're the consumers, but I'm just as often put off with readers going after authors with guns blazing. I think the place for authors to vent is on their own blogs or in private email loops. Of course that's a double edged sword because some helpful reader will post a link and the pointing and laughing will start, or hell, an outright lynching will occur. But I really don't expect authors to be better people than we are. Really.

I don't remember where I read this recently but it made me laugh. If you can't run with the big dogs, then stay under the porch.

So here's where I admit I'm a hypocrite along with a whole lot of other people in romancelandia. I really want to keep the AAR boards clean as a sanctuary for readers (including authors wearing their reader hats) to discuss books and trends and all those lovely potpourri topics. I want to be able to post a review on Goodreads and discuss books here without having the author interfere. Authors, if you step into a reader discussion about your book, you can expect someone to tell you that you shouldn't have.

I dunno. Seems to me that Romancelandia is awfully judgmental lately. Lots of finger-pointing and shaming. Is it wrong? Not really, but I'm more than a little sick of the I'm-more-righteous-than-you-are game.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off I have to say how much I like Jennifer Crusie from her blog. I've only read a few of her entries (usually when there is a link in a thread I'm reading) but every time I do I like the woman. I'm going to have to give her books another shot.

I can be incredibly judgemental (of myself included) and I don't like that aspect of my character. I have been very critical of Linda Howard in recent years because I use to love her books and was a huge fan. I've said what I thought and I think it's time to let that go. I'm not a fan of her new work but I will try to refrain from bashing her anymore.

I stopped going to the smart b****es who love trashy books site because I do think they are just too negative and, sorry, condescending. It was there I got into an argument with Nora Roberts. Before that incident I really liked her In Death series and bought all the books but I can't read her anymore. I think of the author as being self-righteous and I can't separate her personality from the character of Eve Dallas. I wish I had never gone to that site because I'm very picky and need more things to read. Laughing

I think authors have every right to say whatever they want and if I complain about them/their book they have every right to tell me why I'm wrong. If I don't like someone I don't have to read their books but I respect people who are passionate and even if disagree with them I can respect that they have a strong opinion. They only poeple I really I have no tolerance for are: anyone who hurts or thinks it is okay to hurt an animal, anyone who is cruel and people who think they are above others intellectually, physically, because of status or class or any of that nonsense.

I have had a few positive experiences with authors and that has influenced me to buy their books:

Teresa Medeiros - she was signing books at the B&N I was working at and was such a lovely person I bought several books to read and give to friends

Janet Evanovich - went to one of her book signings and she was so nice and wrote something special for my sister for her birthday. I don't want to know anything negative about her because I'm very appreciative of the happiness she has put out in the world with her Stephanie Plum series.

Shana Abe - very nice lady! just a little interaction through emails.

Lori Foster - always nice to fans
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diana wrote:

I dunno. Seems to me that Romancelandia is awfully judgmental lately. Lots of finger-pointing and shaming. Is it wrong? Not really, but I'm more than a little sick of the I'm-more-righteous-than-you-are game.


Me too Diana, and when a group decides to go after someone look out, it is vicious.

Let's see, on a more posotive note an author that made me feel better for having found her online is Diana Gabaldon, she seems to handle everything with class and humor.

Linda
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

library addict wrote:


Jennifer Crusie*[/url] thought that Sarah and Candy were just mean girls to be picking on Cassie Edwards. were not to my taste.


[* I know that Jennifer Crusie gave her explanation for the comment and though I felt at the time she was out of line, I can totally understand why her fans and others consider this a non-issue.]


More recently Crusie blogged in defense of Wendell, who portrayed herself as a victim of bully mean girls. Crusie dismissed legitimate questions about Wendell's undisclosed partnership with Crusie's daughter Mollie Smith in a media company with some of the biggest names in romance on the client roster. Crusie is an opinionated person and that's one of the things that makes her a powerful writer. I thought she was totally wrong to write off legitimate questions as the jealous ranting of mean girls, but I do not hold against her the fact that she expresses strong opinions on her own blog. Being a strong, opinionated woman is a good thing. Even when you're wrong. Cool If she writes another book as good as Welcome to Temptation or Bet Me I will buy it.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linda in sw va wrote:
Diana wrote:

I dunno. Seems to me that Romancelandia is awfully judgmental lately. Lots of finger-pointing and shaming. Is it wrong? Not really, but I'm more than a little sick of the I'm-more-righteous-than-you-are game.


Me too Diana, and when a group decides to go after someone look out, it is vicious.

Let's see, on a more posotive note an author that made me feel better for having found her online is Diana Gabaldon, she seems to handle everything with class and humor.

Linda


I think MOST authors and readers are perfectly normally behaved online. It's kinda like real life, ya know? You seek out people who are interesting to talk to and you avoid people who make you uncomfortable.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lizzie wrote:


Here in Georgia we have a saying "If you can't run with the big dogs stay under the porch."


OMG, Lizzie! I swear I saw it somewhere else recently. Well, they say short term memory is the first to go. LMAO!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think authors, like all of the rest of us, are figuring out where our public and private lives begin and end. We're not used to realizing that we're equally "public" in a suit at a bookstore signing and sitting in bed in fuzzy slippers and in curlers, as long as we're online. For authors, I'm sure it's extra complicated by the rule of sales and visibility, and for many of them even bad publicity is good for sales.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linda in sw va wrote:
Diana wrote:

I dunno. Seems to me that Romancelandia is awfully judgmental lately. Lots of finger-pointing and shaming. ....


Me too Diana, and when a group decides to go after someone look out, it is vicious....


Me three!

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I think authors, like all of the rest of us, are figuring out where our public and private lives begin and end. We're not used to realizing that we're equally "public" in a suit at a bookstore signing and sitting in bed in fuzzy slippers and in curlers, as long as we're online.


This! Big Time! Also, my son who is on a variety of online sites, not even including romance, tells me the intensity level of anger, hostility and worse has been on the rise it seems to him all over the place--measurably. So in addition to the contributions of online anonymity, he and I have been discussing the rise in angry rhetoric in many places in addition to online. Perhaps a rise in frustration and anger in more places than the Internet can be viewed as a reflection of other things going on in the world; I won't go further than that here, though, because it could lead to a discussion that belongs in another forum.

Diana was maybe referring to the online part in her comment, "Romancelandia is awfully judgmental lately."

Regarding her other comment about, "I'm more than a little sick of the I'm-more-righteous-than-you-are game," I'm more concerned about general civility (or lack thereof) all 'round, Internet and elsewhere, more than I am about who wins, who is correct, or who is more "righteous" which this thread touches on. If I'm someone who comes across as "righteous," my apologies, and I hope my expressed concern about decreasing civility explains where I'm coming from most of the time.
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