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Have you ever NOT wanted the hero and heroine together?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:34 am    Post subject: Have you ever NOT wanted the hero and heroine together? Reply with quote

I'm not talking about rapetastic alphole heroes either.

I'm about 3/4ths through with Donna Kauffman's Sleeping With Beauty and I find myself routing for Grady and Lucy to NOT get together.

See, Lucy is one of three misfits that have been bestest friends since their school days and decides to go to Glass Slipper Inc to get a makeover. Grady and Jana are dead set against it. (Which struck me as odd as every friend and family member I have insist I need a makeover and need to go on a show like What Not To Wear because I insist on wearing my clothing baggy and shapeless. I want to get a makeover just to show them they're wrong and the way I dress is just fine for a fat woman. I can't imagine have anyone insist I'm fine just the way I am.)

On a side note I really wish that GSI actually existed just because I'd love to hang with The Godmothers.

Grady has always rescued Lucy. Grady doesn't want Lucy to change and refuses to listen to her explain how unhappy and unfinished she feels. He is angry with her changes.

From the first day of their friendship Grady has never let Lucy stand on her own two feet. As someone who's always had to rescue herself (though admittedly I wish someone would rescue me once in awhile) it annoys me. How is Lucy ever suppose to learn to cope with things herself if Grady always helps her? It's like never taking the training wheels off your bike.

It's obvious Grady's in love with her. Yet I don't want them together. Because he won't stop to listen to her and he won't stop rescuing her. He's been her crutch and has been holding her back from coming into her own as a woman. It's like he wants to posses her, own her, the same way the rapetastic heroes of old school romance novels eventually owned the heroine.

At least that's how the whole thing comes across to me.

What about you folks? Ever read a book - any book - where you really wanted the hero and heroine (or hero and hero or heroine and heroine or whatever) to NOT get together? For them to find others to be with? And why? Outside of the Old School stuff, that is.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few..especially if one the characters is selfish and immature. Bound by Love by Lili Feisty is an example (JMHO)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Have you ever NOT wanted the hero and heroine together? Reply with quote

JamiSings wrote:
What about you folks? Ever read a book - any book - where you really wanted the hero and heroine (or hero and hero or heroine and heroine or whatever) to NOT get together? For them to find others to be with? And why? Outside of the Old School stuff, that is.

So that's a no to Whitney dumping Clayton and running off with Nicki Duville, and Sherry dumping Stephen and stealing Nicki away from Whitney? Well, in that case, I think Seamie and Willa in Jennifer Donnelly's The Wild Rose were wrong for each other, and their relationship was really not healthy.

I also couldn't stand the hero of Anne Stuart's Ruthless, but the heroine was no prize, either, so I figure they deserved each other.

I'm undecided as to whether Devon's grand gesture was enough to atone for his actions in Patricia Gaffney's Lily. I think Gaffney could have done more to persuade the reader that Lily ended up with the right guy. She could also do more to persuade me to buy her e-books, by not having them priced so high, but that's another thread.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes...Tell Me LIes by Claudia Dain. To the very last page, I didn't want them together, but still...I liked the book. Odd.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I also couldn't stand the hero of Anne Stuart's Ruthless, but the heroine was no prize, either, so I figure they deserved each other.



See I liked Ruthless and Reckless but I felt EXACTLY that way about Breathless. The hero was IMHO a homicidal nut job and the heroine a masochistic moron.

My all time #1 of not wanting the heroine and "hero" to get together is "Little Women." I know a lot of people disagree but I firmly believe Jo deserved better than Professor Bhaer- namely Laurie.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beatrix and William from Laura Lee Guhrke's "Wedding of the Season" those two just seemed completely wrong for each other, The only thing William had going for him as the hero was that he knew Beatrix in a way her current Fiance did not but that knowledge was the result of years spent together as opposed to any real effort on his part.
IMO knowing a person and being compatible with a person are two very very different things, Those two wanted completely different things from life and spent the entire book trying to prove their way was the better one, I think they would have been better off marrying other people.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Have you ever NOT wanted the hero and heroine together? Reply with quote

Yulie wrote:
JamiSings wrote:
What about you folks? Ever read a book - any book - where you really wanted the hero and heroine (or hero and hero or heroine and heroine or whatever) to NOT get together? For them to find others to be with? And why? Outside of the Old School stuff, that is.

So that's a no to Whitney dumping Clayton and running off with Nicki Duville, and Sherry dumping Stephen and stealing Nicki away from Whitney?


I think that rapetastic alpholes go without saying. You don't want to see anyone with them. Not even your worse enemy.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. Most recently, "What I did for a Duke". I liked both of the characters separately, I just didn't think they were suited for the life-long relationship.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Have you ever NOT wanted the hero and heroine together? Reply with quote

ChrisReader wrote:
See I liked Ruthless and Reckless but I felt EXACTLY that way about Breathless. The hero was IMHO a homicidal nut job and the heroine a masochistic moron.

Ruthless was my first F-grade in I think six or seven years. It actually made me hostile, and I was tempted to throw away my Anne Stuart books. But I really couldn't bring myself to treat books like that, and I didn't have too many of them anyway, so I contended myself with taking The Devil's Waltz to the UBS.

JamiSings wrote:
Yulie wrote:
So that's a no to Whitney dumping Clayton and running off with Nicki Duville, and Sherry dumping Stephen and stealing Nicki away from Whitney?

I think that rapetastic alpholes go without saying. You don't want to see anyone with them. Not even your worse enemy.

Stephen wasn't a rapist, though - it was more like: "Show me you love me so that I'll believe you're not a lying slut" (she does) "ha, did you ever think I'd marry a lying slut like you?" (finds out heroine is not a lying slut) "Nicki, how dare you make me think she's a lying slut? Help me get her back!" Heroine then takes him back. Ewwwww. I wanted her to go back to America.

I've thought of another one: Elizabeth Lowell's Pearl Cove. I mean, Lowell has had many alphahole heroes who, naturally, believe that the heroines are lying sluts, because what other kind of woman is there, and also a girl in kindergarten was mean to them. But anyway, Archer was supposedly a good guy. Except he was also a jerk who made a point of embarrassing the heroine (Hannah, was it?) in front of his family. I wanted her to tell him to back off and that she'd already had a judgmental jerk for a husband once, and then go back to Australia. As for Lowell's westerns, they would have been greatly improved if all the heroines had dumped the heroes and lived together in a hippie commune, historical accuracy be damned.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, this is going to surprise some people but Laura London's classic THE WINDFLOWER.

Don't get me wrong - I really really loved the book - the setting, the characters, the language, the plot. And I loved Merry and Devon was fine (if a bit dull). However, I just didn't get the chemistry between the two - there was nothing special that made them really right for each other. I really wanted Merry to end up with Cat instead.

There are probably other instances of good books where I liked the characters individually but just couldn't see them HEA together...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh, I thought it obvious that Cat was in love with Morgan. and visa verse but I wasn't holding my breath for that to happen.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought Merry was too young even at the end to marry anybody, but she certainly was better matched with Cat - even if he is an early poster boy for bi-sexuality - than with Devon.

Sherry Thomas' Private Arrangements - I was rather dubious about the hero getting the heroine back. I actually thought the nice guy she was trying to divorce the hero for would have made her a good husband.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the first book of Nora Roberts' Dream trilogy, Daring to Dream, I disliked the hero (forgot his name, he was the son of the hotel dynasty, while she was the housekeeper's daughter) so much that I wanted the disgraced top model heroine Margo to take up the offer to pose nude or star in an adult film, an offer the hero talks her out of, rather than return to California impoverished and disgraced and forced to sell off her possessions. Because a career as an adult film star would still be preferable to a life spent with a controlling jerk.

I have never wanted to see the hero and heroine of any Susan Elizabeth Philips book get together, because I've never read a book by her where either hero or heroine or both were not unpleasant and disturbed people.

In Julie Cohen's otherwise wonderful Girl from Mars I hoped that the comic artist heroine would get together with her geeky best friend Jim, who was handsome and fiercely loyal and in love with her and spoke Klingon. Instead she ended up with an American screenwriter turn comic writer, to whom she felt attracted because he looked like Superman.

In Jane Austen's Mansfield Park, I hoped that Fanny would get together with Henry Crawford and Edmund with Mary Crawford, because Fanny and Edmund were just so dull together.

And I echo whoever didn't want to see Jo and the Professor get together in Little Women. I don't necessarily wanted Jo to get together with Laurie, but the Professor was just dull and annoying.

Not a romance or even a book, but I hated the pairing of Gwen and Rhys in the BBC show Torchwood so much that I stopped watching when they got married. The Rhys character was whiny, annoying, a controlling jerk, borderline abusive and so unpleasant that I kept waiting for him to be either killed off or revealed to be a villain of some kind. Besides, Gwen had so much more chemistry with Owen and I was angry that their smoking hot affair was completely forgotten past season 1.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cora wrote:
In Julie Cohen's otherwise wonderful Girl from Mars I hoped that the comic artist heroine would get together with her geeky best friend Jim, who was handsome and fiercely loyal and in love with her and spoke Klingon. Instead she ended up with an American screenwriter turn comic writer, to whom she felt attracted because he looked like Superman.


See, I liked the fact she didn't fall for her best friend. Mainly because, like Grady in this book, he's just not confident enough in himself to say anything. I strongly dislike men who sit back and wait for a woman to make the first move or something to "just happen." I once had a guy who got his friends to ask me for my number. I'm sure he was a nice guy but the fact he was so cowardly as to have someone else do his work for him turned me off. Don't like guys without confidence to make the first move IRL, like them less in romance novels. He doesn't have to be an alphole, but he has to at least say something to let the heroine know he's another choice for her.

As far as Torchwood - I stopped watching because I got sick and tired of the guy on guy stuff. First time, okay, ground breaking, but after awhile I kept wishing Jack would kiss a woman or even some alien with three different genders for a change of pace. Heck, I would've settled for Gwen cheating on Rhys with Martha Jones just for something new. I was just so BORED with it already!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:57 am    Post subject: Re: Have you ever NOT wanted the hero and heroine together? Reply with quote

Yulie wrote:
Stephen wasn't a rapist, though - it was more like: "Show me you love me so that I'll believe you're not a lying slut" (she does) "ha, did you ever think I'd marry a lying slut like you?" (finds out heroine is not a lying slut) "Nicki, how dare you make me think she's a lying slut? Help me get her back!" Heroine then takes him back. Ewwwww. I wanted her to go back to America.


hahaha that is the best description of that book i have ever come across Razz.....the publisher should put this on the back cover so readers know what they are getting themselves in to Razz
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