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library addict

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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Cee wrote: | Now I'm curious! I don't think I ever read Dead of Night though I liked the earlier books in the series. An author's behaviour can ruin it for me too...as much as I love the Outlander series, I just cannot handle Diana Gabaldon's holier than thou attitude. I have to stay away from her website. There was another case recently with the author Dianne Sylvan. Her first book, Queen of Shadows, was terrific. Then she published the sequel and it bombed (the hero from the first book cheated on the heroine, his supposed soulmate, with a man...this did not go over well with most reviewers). The author got so defensive and immature! Now I can't even enjoy Queen of Shadows. |
There are a bunch of places you can read about it. We had a really long thread here. Here's a bit here from the AAR blog http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=873
I have read several comments Gabaldon has made at times that seem to disparage the romance industry. But didn't Outlander win a RITA? And she was a featured speaker at RWA recently. If she doesn't want to be known as a romance writer, that's fine. But I don't understand why she would then so closely associate herself with RWA. But as I am one of the few who didn't like Outlander I don't know if her comments are just taken out of context or what.
For the record, I have never actually written an author an angry letter I was just repsonding to the OP's question "Has an author ever ruined the characters or a book so badly for you?" I have sent authors emails to tell them I enjoyed their book and to ask a questions about something. |
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ChrisReader
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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I think the complaints people have had about sequels and the characters changing into someone else is one reason I am leery about sequels- both books and movies- unless the story was originally envisioned as such (Lord Of The Rings etc). So often authors or artists seem to want to stretch out their success with one story or set of characters they have to invent problems or tensions for the sequel and end up ruining the original characters.
I never understood why people wanted a sequel to Gone With The Wind. To me it was all about the reader/movie goer's opinion at the end. Everyone had a different idea of what would happen with Rhett and Scarlett. It made it so much more memorable.
I can't think of a book off the top of my head but I really disliked the sequel to the movie "Miss Congeniality." I loved the first one it was funny and charming and had a nice little romance. In the sequel it took about three minutes tops to make the hero of the first book into a cruel jerk (all off screen of course) and give the heroine a personality transplant. Hated it. |
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goldberry
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I did send an email this fall to a Christian writer about the ending of one of her books. She told me to be sure to read the sequel. LOL (It hasn't been released yet.) |
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Linda in sw va

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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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I've never written an angry letter to an author but of course I've vented online!
I have written a few happy letters to several authors that have an online presence. In each case they wrote back and seemed to truly appreciate the fact that I reached out to let them know how much I enjoyed their characters.
If an author has a website with an online contact email I don't see anything wrong with it.
Linda _________________ "The Bookshop has a thousand books, all colors, hues and tinges, and every cover is a door that turns on magic hinges." ~ Nancy Byrd Turner |
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Nicole

Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 468 Location: Las Cruces, New Mexico
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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I've never wanted to send a letter to a writer for good or bad reasons. I figure that they have a right to write what they want, and it's my problem if I like it or not. Not to say that I wont express my opinions about it. Also, I have to say I'm not terribly worried about offending an author if the opinion is negative.
I do, however, have issues with some author's behavior or comments online at times. In particular I found P.C. Cast to be pretty insensitive when a reader objected to her use of the word retard in some of her books. I though that both parties had a point, but that the author was extremely snide in her response. In general I found her conduct distasteful, which is an observation about her behavior and not her work. Either way though I have no desire to email the author about it. I just wont buy her books, and discourage others from doing so. _________________ She is too fond of books, and it has turned her brain. -Louisa May Alcott |
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Romance Reader

Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 9 Location: Northern Virginia
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I have sent emails to authors - they are selling a product and I am buying!
If I have found a particular story outstanding for one reason or another, I take the time to let the author know how much I appreciate his or her time and effort. When I read a romance that grips me emotionally to the point ot tears, I absolutely will let the author know how much his or her words have touched me. Nothing motivates like positive reinforcement!
On the other hand, if I find an author who is consistently putting out a poor story, I generally let my closed wallet do the talking.
Only once do I recall getting so annoyed that I sent a email to the author. In Pearl Wolf's"Too Hot for a Rake," the following appeared:
“he found it hard to like, one because she was overweight and for another, she meddled.” This was a father's thoughts about his own daughter.
As I work with at-risk children and teens with self-esteem issues on a daily basis, this sentence from Ms. Wolf just sent me over the edge. A father finding it hard to like his daughter becasue she was overweight? What kind of message is that to send any female???
I will never read another word that woman writes . |
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Eliza
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Linda in sw va wrote: | ...I have written a few happy letters to several authors that have an online presence. In each case they wrote back and seemed to truly appreciate the fact that I reached out to let them know how much I enjoyed their characters.
If an author has a website with an online contact email I don't see anything wrong with it. Linda |
Me too. I've written just a couple, and they were pleasant experiences all 'round. And I agree authors wouldn't list a contact point on their websites otherwise.
For a writer who may annoy me, I vote by zipping up my wallet.
| Cee wrote: | | ... An author's behaviour can ruin it for me too...as much as I love the Outlander series, I just cannot handle Diana Gabaldon's holier than thou attitude. I have to stay away from her website.... |
Different tastes and styles again-- I can see some taking DG that way, but for me I enjoy Gabaldon's straight ahead style, finding it funny, real, and far more enjoyable than some of the cutsy social boarding posts I've gotten very weary of. This also reminds me of the reviewers discussion thread we had where some thought Mrs. Giggles funny while others thought her mean.
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BlackenedVoodoo
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | A father finding it hard to like his daughter becasue she was overweight? What kind of message is that to send any female??? |
But is it unrealistic? Are there parents (and grandparents) who actively refuse to like/love a child because that child isn't what the adult wants them to be? She wrote a character who has this thing about his kid. Lots of parents have things about their kids.
Why is the author judged by what a character she has written does or thinks, especially if it fits the story? |
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maggie b.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Romance Reader wrote: |
Only once do I recall getting so annoyed that I sent a email to the author. In Pearl Wolf's"Too Hot for a Rake," the following appeared:
“he found it hard to like, one because she was overweight and for another, she meddled.” This was a father's thoughts about his own daughter.
As I work with at-risk children and teens with self-esteem issues on a daily basis, this sentence from Ms. Wolf just sent me over the edge. A father finding it hard to like his daughter becasue she was overweight? What kind of message is that to send any female???
I will never read another word that woman writes . |
I certainly hope that was the villain of the piece. If it was the hero than that is completely appalling.
I've written several authors, to get information or tell them how much I liked their books. I have never written an author about a book I didn't like. That's what these boards are for - here I get to let out my angst while warning friends away from a horrific experience.
maggie b. _________________ http://maggiebbooksandteas.blogspot.com
She is too fond of books and it has turned her brain. - Louisa May Alcott |
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Sterling_95
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| maggie b. wrote: | | Romance Reader wrote: |
Only once do I recall getting so annoyed that I sent a email to the author. In Pearl Wolf's"Too Hot for a Rake," the following appeared:
“he found it hard to like, one because she was overweight and for another, she meddled.” This was a father's thoughts about his own daughter.
As I work with at-risk children and teens with self-esteem issues on a daily basis, this sentence from Ms. Wolf just sent me over the edge. A father finding it hard to like his daughter becasue she was overweight? What kind of message is that to send any female???
I will never read another word that woman writes . |
I certainly hope that was the villain of the piece. If it was the hero than that is completely appalling.
maggie b. |
I remember the book being discussed. To make things worse, the daughter being discussed isn't even a grown woman - she's a child of 9. 9 year olds have baby fat and are almost without exception, nosy. It made the father look completely stupid as well as exceptionally shallow. |
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PWNN

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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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There are parents who don't like their children because they aren't good looking enough, smart enough, strong enough, charming enough. I can't see how that translates to the writer approving of such behaviour or opinions. How many heroes and heroines in Romances feel as if they were unloved, disliked or ignored by parents who may have favored other children? Tons.
There's a difference between an author espousing an offensive or questionable viewpoint and a character doing so. Every viewpoint espoused or action taken by every character does not need to be laudable or even pleasant. Not even by heroes and heroines who can be flawed - as long as the author acknowledges they are flaws.
Now if the author in using an omniscient or narrative voice outside character or doing so via his/her heroes/heroines with no censuring or contrary opinions, or growth that's an entirely different matter. Like the above example of an author consistently using derogatory descriptors of overweight people where it seems more of an authorial viewpoint than a character's perception or prejudice. _________________ "My safe word is monkey" |
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Linda in sw va

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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Who was the author that got so much hate mail when an excerpt was printed for her next book that she got so upset it almost wasn't published? Doing some scouting I think it was Lisa Valdez and the book was Patience, which was actually pretty good. I think some people felt it was offensive towards women but personally I didn't see it. *shrug*
I love Diana Gabaldon's website and don't see anything wrong with it?? But she does somewhat snub the romance genre in that she wanted to make sure bookstores took Outlander off the romance shelves and put it in straight fiction. It was initially released as a romance and that was what brought in many readers so it always seemed a bit ungracious but I can understand that her series really does not belong in the romance section. She's joked about many bookstores not really being sure where to place it since it has so elements of fiction, romance, science fiction, etc.
Linda _________________ "The Bookshop has a thousand books, all colors, hues and tinges, and every cover is a door that turns on magic hinges." ~ Nancy Byrd Turner |
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Eliza
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Linda in sw va wrote: | | ...I love Diana Gabaldon's website and don't see anything wrong with it?? ... but I can understand that her series really does not belong in the romance section. She's joked about many bookstores not really being sure where to place it since it has so elements of fiction, romance, science fiction, etc. Linda |
A long time ago a coworker convinced me I'd love Outlander but when I went to Borders to get it and couldn't find it, the male salesman said that it really was a book that needed its own section! Funny. |
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Romance Reader

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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| PWNN wrote: | | There are parents who don't like their children because they aren't good looking enough, smart enough, strong enough, charming enough. I can't see how that translates to the writer approving of such behaviour or opinions.. |
How sad is that statement - parents not liking their children for one reason or another? And we wonder why so many of our young people are messed up these days. All children need to know that parental love is unconditional.
IMO, an author putting such words into a character's mouth is akin to a subliminal message to many readers.
If you don't like what the author is putting out there, why not let them know? Sticking to forums such as these to vent is not really getting one's opinions and interpretations back to the author. When an author only receives positive comments, it doesn't really make them think about what they write, nor does it help motivate them to improve.
They, as everyone else, have to learn to take the bad with the good. |
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Eliza
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:24 am Post subject: |
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From Facebook==
Susan Elizabeth Phillips
Did you notice very heated disagreements over some of the titles we've been discussing in the past few days? Fascinating, isn't it? I know this is going to sound very strange, but early on I learned that a writer can only pay so much attention to her readers. Sounds odd, but I've learned that everyone brings his or her own experience to a book. (See comments on CATCHER IN THE RYE, for example.) As a writer, I can only focus on writing a book that will please me and then pray it will please my readers, knowing all along that any book I write will be someone's very favorite and someone's least favorite. Ultimately, I find that liberating. Understand what I'm saying? |
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